2006.01.01 'Failure' of the plan that this logos chose

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OK, I made it up through the end of page two. Comments so far:

First of all, I think Ra has addressed your idea that the logos's plan is a failure in a couple of quotes. They certainly don't disagree that logoi can have plans that fail:

Ra: I am Ra. There were many experiments whereby various of the functions or distortions of the body complex were veiled and others not. A large number of these experiments resulted in nonviable body complexes or those only marginally viable. For instance, it is not a survival-oriented mechanism for the nerve receptors to blank out unconsciously any distortions towards pain.

But they seem to think that the plan has been successful in reaching its goals:

76.17 Questioner: Is this third-density choice the same throughout all of the creation of which you are aware?

Ra: I am Ra. We are aware of creations in which third density is lengthier and more space/time is given to the choosing. However, the proportions remain the same, the dimensions all being somewhat etiolated and weakened by the Logos to have a variant experience of the Creator. This creation is seen by us to be quite vivid.

76.18 Questioner: I didn’t understand what you meant by what you said “as seen by you to be quite vivid.” What did you mean?

Ra: I am Ra. This creation is somewhat more condensed by its Logos than some other Logoi have chosen. Thus each experience of the Creator by the Creator in this system of distortions is, relatively speaking, more bright or, as we said, vivid.

Comments about specific statements:

imagine - they destroyed a planet here (maldek). they have come here, and then created another catastrophe. (atlantis).

Ra doesn't say that the negative polarity destroyed Maldek or created the Atlantean catastrophe.

yet, here we are today in this state, with not much development in regard to state of physical social existence. even more, some minority elite is still trying, sometimes effectively, to control and kill anything that bars them. (acta treaty, network neutrality attack to make internet a cable network to control it). im not even touching the subject of nuclear weapons and whatnot, and the still existing potential danger of some 0.001% or less of world population trying to invoke a nuclear holocaust by aggression.

if 'free will' prevails, and some buttons are pressed by some few (maybe not even more than a few thousand) entities around the world, 7 billion or more souls will need to be rescued so that their souls will not get destroyed in the ensuing nuclear blasts.

And yet, here we still are, with free will. The greater earth changes have not happened so far; the global guerilla war against communism and/or fascism has not entirely erupted; we're still bumbling along.

if you remember what Ra answered to don's query about the distribution of the population density of different densities, in this galaxy we have a huge lack of higher frequency vibrations in higher frequency planes. whereas we have an extreme amount of 2d vibrations and worlds.

16.25 Questioner: Can you tell me what percentage of those are third, fourth, fifth, sixth etc., density?

Ra: I am Ra. A percentage seventeen for first density, a percentage twenty for second density, a percentage twenty-seven for third density, a percentage sixteen for fourth density, a percentage six for fifth density. The other information must be withheld.

Second density is 20%, not "an extreme amount."

BTW, 17 + 20 + 27 + 16 + 6 = 86, so 14% is unaccounted for.

Also, note that there was a sentence omitted from this answer in the published books. You can find it in the version from the relistening project.

the attempts of Ra and others to teach 'Law of One' seems increasingly illogical and unwise, and even naive in that light :

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i cant come to terms and agree/unify with this current sun, when i look to it at all. we agree on the level of being one, yet, we are total disagreement about methods. it repels me.

Ra readily admits that they are naive. I wonder if your issue isn't more with Ra and other entities who have attempted to help than it is with the sun.

i mean, veiling any density is like veiling one of your chakras. can you expect to function normally entirety of your solar plexus was taken out, spiritually or physically ? no.

Veiling third density isn't taking it out.

So why is there discontent for the situation one is in when there is suffering and a cloudy view? is this not the creator knowing itself?

I agree.

it is quite simple actually - because, you are not 'the creator'. you are a PART of the infinity that you call creator. therefore, if you are put under load over the level which you cant handle, either as in the size of the load or duration of the load, you suffer.

Actually, you are the Creator in its entirety, right now. The illusion is that you are not.

moreover, by locking this many high level wanderers to a 3d density behind a veil, we have greatly reduced the strength of 4 to 6th chakras of the galaxy (hopefully not entire universe), and therefore did a disservice by not being in a place which we, by nature, tailored/fit to be.

the extreme amounts of 4 to 6th energy channeled here, is extreme amounts of 4th to 6th energy that other parts of this galaxy, or creation is not able to receive.

Possibly, but we don't really know what percentage of the light strength of 4th through 6th densities is here at the moment.

only if you return to total 'nothingness', you become infinite, and hence, perfect.

There never was total nothingness. "The first known thing in creation is infinity."

Ra Session 13 of the Law of One January 29, 1981

It shall be understood that any portion, no matter how small, of any density or illusory pattern contains, as in an holographic picture, the One Creator which is infinity. Thus all begins and ends in mystery.

again, containing a picture of infinity does not mean infinite.

Read it again. It doesn't say contains a picture. It says contains the One Creator which is infinity.

infinite creator needing to know itself, is still not a perfect entity.

Ra never says the Infinite Creator needs to know Itself, merely that it decides to.

in true infinity, there would be no need, or no desire, or no knowing.

I agree that there would be no need, but why couldn't there be a desire for exploration?

there would not be anything. there would be stillness, which would be, infinity itself.

but there isnt. until you are merged into stillness, and no more, you are finite.

Why do you assume infinity is stillness? Ra uses the term plenum. Infinity is fullness, not emptiness.

I think success is not determined by the numbers harvested but the quality of experience that is being added to the infinite creator. There is a richness that is added by the dark, there is an intensity that is generated by the suppression and pain. We may not realize it in this density under the veil but faith is the answer...

I agree.

infinity is a whole. if you take any part out of it, despite the part you take out is going to be 'none' compared to infinity, the infinity wont be the same because it lost one of its subset members.

It's not that we are infinite parts of an infinite whole. We are the infinite whole. The One Creator in Its entirety is within you. Take you away and there's nothing left.

infinity. never changes.

How do you know?