10-02-2014, 05:24 PM
I haven't eaten meat in 21 months (that's coming up to 2 years!). Not that I'm counting (in the way that a smoker counts since they gave up), but rather that's when I made the switch over, it was at a rather convenient reference point: the start of 2013, after the whole Dec 2012 saga.
why did I make the change?
I really don't know. I can't give you an answer. It wasn't because I had watched so many factory farming videos that I suddenly became disgusted with the whole industry. It wasn't because I had read a thread here on bring4th that suddenly enlightened me. It wasn't because all my friends had suddenly turned vege, and I wanted in. It wasn't because I wanted to save the planet.
So why did I change?
I really don't know. I followed my gut instincts, and I had done 2 spontaneous fasts leading up to the end of 2012 (the months prior). I don't associate it with any energetic global event (although I'm not ruling such things out), but I felt the impetus to change, and I did.
I know that both Diana and Monica have been long time non-meat eaters, and that's cool. I don't know the full history of why you yourself made the switch, but I can only assume that at some level, it felt like the 'right thing to do' at the time, and stil feels like the 'right thing to do' right now. That's your personal choice and following your instincts.
Everyone else, though, is also following their instincts as to what is right for them. It's their personal choice as to what they stick into their mouths, and what 'industries' they choose to support. It's not as though there is lack of information out there. It's their choice as to how they navigate their diet.
You say that this 'personal choice' is not really personal, in that it affects others. I can accept that. But ultimately it's their choice (like everyone's) to make. It's Free Will.
But what about the animals, you say? what about their free will? If indeed, if you say, that there is some sort of infringement and cruelty by association of eating meat and participating in this type of diet, then the effects will acrue. In a tangible way. It's not as though the universe doesn't have built in feedback mechanisms.
What I'm trying to say is that you are never going to logic someone into changing their behaviour if they don't want to change. It doesn't matter how many rational and effective and convincing arguments you want to muster (all backed by solid evidence), it's a personal choice at the end of the day. It's a choice you made at a certain age, and it's a switch that I made at a certain age.
I didn't drop meat to save the animals. And it's not a cause celebre for me.
why do you think this thread (and other's like it in the past) generate so much heat and friction? is it because you are trying to change other people's behaviour by implying that what they are doing is wrong, uncompassionate, and guilt-worthy? Because behind many of your reasoned arguments, that is the emotional tone being conveyed.
why did I make the change?
I really don't know. I can't give you an answer. It wasn't because I had watched so many factory farming videos that I suddenly became disgusted with the whole industry. It wasn't because I had read a thread here on bring4th that suddenly enlightened me. It wasn't because all my friends had suddenly turned vege, and I wanted in. It wasn't because I wanted to save the planet.
So why did I change?
I really don't know. I followed my gut instincts, and I had done 2 spontaneous fasts leading up to the end of 2012 (the months prior). I don't associate it with any energetic global event (although I'm not ruling such things out), but I felt the impetus to change, and I did.
I know that both Diana and Monica have been long time non-meat eaters, and that's cool. I don't know the full history of why you yourself made the switch, but I can only assume that at some level, it felt like the 'right thing to do' at the time, and stil feels like the 'right thing to do' right now. That's your personal choice and following your instincts.
Everyone else, though, is also following their instincts as to what is right for them. It's their personal choice as to what they stick into their mouths, and what 'industries' they choose to support. It's not as though there is lack of information out there. It's their choice as to how they navigate their diet.
You say that this 'personal choice' is not really personal, in that it affects others. I can accept that. But ultimately it's their choice (like everyone's) to make. It's Free Will.
But what about the animals, you say? what about their free will? If indeed, if you say, that there is some sort of infringement and cruelty by association of eating meat and participating in this type of diet, then the effects will acrue. In a tangible way. It's not as though the universe doesn't have built in feedback mechanisms.
What I'm trying to say is that you are never going to logic someone into changing their behaviour if they don't want to change. It doesn't matter how many rational and effective and convincing arguments you want to muster (all backed by solid evidence), it's a personal choice at the end of the day. It's a choice you made at a certain age, and it's a switch that I made at a certain age.
I didn't drop meat to save the animals. And it's not a cause celebre for me.
why do you think this thread (and other's like it in the past) generate so much heat and friction? is it because you are trying to change other people's behaviour by implying that what they are doing is wrong, uncompassionate, and guilt-worthy? Because behind many of your reasoned arguments, that is the emotional tone being conveyed.