(10-02-2014, 02:31 PM)Parsons Wrote:(10-02-2014, 12:19 PM)Monica Wrote:(10-02-2014, 03:50 AM)Unbound Wrote: especially if there is no work to control.
The animals are being controlled and killed against their will. Controlling another entity is an STS trait.
Only if the alternative wasn't feeding on another type of 2nd density life; which segues perfectly into what Tanner is trying to express:
(10-02-2014, 12:19 PM)Monica Wrote:(10-02-2014, 03:50 AM)Unbound Wrote: It's convoluted because it's black and white, this whole "one or the other" is what makes it so convoluted.
Well, 'convoluted' means complicated/twisted/confusing/intricate/nuanced, whereas 'black and white' means simple/straightforward/lacking nuance. They have opposite meanings.
I've written enough on this topic here on B4 to make a book! You really think my views are black and white?
Yes, your views are black and white (overly simplistic) because your arguement conditionally ignores my above viewpoint that you must eat some form 2nd density life to survive. I say conditionally because you say 'yes, I understand I am eating life which has consciousness' but turn around and favor in your argument one form of 2D life over another, which is convoluted. So yes, you being black and white is convoluted in this context.
No. It's not convoluted. Ad nauseum....here we go again:
1. In killing and eating animals, we know as far as we possibly can know, that they DON'T want to be tortured and maimed and killed. Not true of plants. We do NOT know this though we may surmise it or hypothesize.
2. In raising animals for food, we actually consume MORE PLANT LIFE than we would if we only ate the plants.
Is there something about this someone here doesn't get? I'm not trying to push buttons or be domineering. It seems very simple to me.
(10-02-2014, 02:31 PM)Parsons Wrote: Moreover, your justification for being a bigot (noun: a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions) is by definition controlling because as Plenum said, diet is a personal matter, which you are butting in to.
Nice Parsons . . . calling Monica a bigot.
First of all, what Plenum said is an opinion. So one cannot say it is a truism, fact, axiom, or any other authority. I certainly do not agree with it.
People, every day, every minute, are expressing their opinions. Is it not okay for Monica to do so here, in this open forum, where someone else has brought up the subject, and presumably wanted comments?
Monica has her opinions (as does everyone here because this is a forum!), but she is also very well researched on this subject and has facts as well.
On the other hand, why become so defensive as to attack?