(08-11-2014, 06:34 PM)Adonai One Wrote: So they would mess with the person further? How could one with a great amount of love not possibly be able to balance themselves again?
Because, after a while, it was simply a battle of wills. And, I don't wanna go into details of the physical aspects of the torture they employed, but safe to say that it was not really a fair battle. So, there were some torturers, who did it for pure pleasure.
Though, the way I see it, wisest thing is to agree to everything, and once your consciousness is in a balanced state again (which may very well be after death) then restore your principles and will.
I actually like your approach, but I would not want want it to be tested in practical settings. Still, a courageous way of looking at things.
Adonai, you may find this story interesting that happened to a cousin of a family friend.
In early 90s, bunch of young guys were rounded up by Punjab police in Hoshiarpur district. Punjab is in India btw. "Rounding up" was a phrase used by military - it meant that, wherever an incident happened, they would arrest all the young males in that area. even if you were simply out for buying milk. In this case, the protagonist alongwith a few dozen young guys was taken to a torture center. That torture center was run by an officer, who was a legend in counter-insurgency operations. Known for his brutality, and his habit of torturing someone on a daily basis.
So, the guys are rounded up, taken to the torture center, and made to wait. In the evening, the senior officer shows up, and his underlings lined up all the young guys, so he could interrogate them. He walks over to the protagonist, and targets him specifically, because even though protagonist was innocent, his cousin's family was a known militant sympathizer. The legendary torturer asks him about the guns that suspected militants had hidden in that area.
The protagonist had heard stories from other survivors, and knew what was coming. So he says - I know, where the weapons are. I will tell you about them, but first I need a warm glass of milk. A glass of milk was brought for the protagonist, who immediately drank it. Then, he said to the senior officer - "Now, I will tell you where the weapons are, but first convince me that I just drank a glass of milk. If I confess to drinking that glass of milk, I will show you where the weapons are buried, and confess to whatever else you want. If you can't even get me to confess to drinking a glass of milk, how are you going to get me to confess to hiding weapons."
They beat him up throughout that night, and the next day - Did you drink milk? Finally, they got so mad that the officer had the protagonist shot dead the next day. In their folk culture, milk is symbolic too - as in integrity means staying true to your mother's milk. That kinda stuff. So yeah, he died the next day. The story ends.
And funny thing is from a cold perspective the protagonist won in a very practical manner. Why?
Because by making the senior torturer mad, he got himself killed and his spirit was free within a day. Otherwise, based on the history of that torture center, the protagonist would have been tortured for days, then either killed in a fake encounter, or kept in prison for decades. Once you were in the eyes of the legendary torturer, it was well known that you would never see your family again, and he would torture you for months.
Some people will disagree with protagonist's approach, but thats what happened. This is more of a folk tale too. As in, even if the actual story was little different, this kind of stuff happened to thousands of guys in that part of the world. There was another story of a guy, who resisted torture with so much fortitude that finally the officers dressed him up in a bride's dress to humiliate his very core. But, he maintained his fortitude, faith, whatever you wanna call it, and he was shot dead soon after. There is even a picture of this guy somewhere on the web that I saw few years ago. He was a Sikh, so basically the picture shows a long haired guy, dressed in Indian bridal dress lying dead in a government prison.
Dang it, just thinking about these stories is depressing, but I like your approach Adonai. I also like the idea of getting torturers mad, so they kill you soon. However that is the thing with Bilderman method, and various other well researched torture techniques. They will not let you die. They have time, resources and patience on their hands.
This is depressing man. Wrong thread that I posted in. Back to mirrors, catalyst, meditating and so on.