07-28-2014, 04:15 PM
Hello Plenum,
Thank You for your reply.
First of all, your grasp of "Catalyst" is always amazing for me. I am truly crawling in this subject. I'm at verge of really understanding concept of Catalyst in my day-to-day life. I've notice that it changes my reactions to that what happens in my life. Instead of impatience or anger, I can take "step back" and look at things from far greater perspective - almost as of out of this density perspective (at least that's what I feel often lately).
Secondly, as I'm thinking of it, I don't even know what I could "ask" my Higher Self. I thing "contact" with "It" alone would be extremely profound for me - to be able to experience Self as boundless consciousness.
As far as I can remember I was meeting/experiencing boundaries of Self, and for the most part it was not a "constructive experience". So much have changed since I've opened my Self to Ra's Teachings and met Other-Selves that Share this Openness.
I'm very incapable of interpreting symbolism. Due to my mind approach (which is not "forced" - it is simply the way I process things/Beings/Self) I'm quite literal in understanding and communication. That's also reason why I'm afraid that I will not recognize important/profound things/happenings/events in Self. As far as I know I might already experienced attempts of communications with my Self, but ignored them due to perceiving them as inexplicable/ambiguous/opaque/indefinite/trivial.
More and more I can see, that my mind is in same degree Great Help as Great Constraint. I'm looking for ways to "cope with Self" that do not involve my mind, but as he/it is my only point of reference, I have truly no idea how to proceed.
This is most fascinating for me - to be conscious of such "Event".
At this point I would like to write, that since yesterday, when I first read your quotes of Q'uo, I was thinking a lot of this parts:
To abandon Our current/earthly/third density Self and to open to the divine.
I can't explain it, but it spoke to me deeply and I understood/understand a lot thanks to those words. Even my yesterday meditation was different from all I've done before - much deeper and with much more calmness within my Self.
I'm not sure how to explain it - I think It allowed me to look at my "current Self" from greater perspective. Until now I always thought that meditation and "spiritual work" is something that I am doing. Now I can see more clearly that my "I" in this density is a relative (poor in fact) grasp of my true Beingness.
Also metaphor of "priest robes" appealed to me significantly.
Both above mentioned things were/are a Great aid to my Understanding. That's why I thanked You so much
I've never "felt" my Spiritual side - at least not since I'm grown, fully conscious man. I'm seeking my Spirit with Great desire of experiencing it. And yet, I have same concern, as stated previously - that I may/might not recognize it at all. I have no point of reference in this field - at all. I don't even know how/what to ask about that.
Also, I do realize that I have a lot of "integration" to do, as in some spheres I feel strongly "compartmented". Looking at it as "Healing" is helpful, as it endow this process with strong, positive connotations. In the past I've perceived "work with Self" as "process that require force-based action". Now I understand that Love and Acceptance are Key Factor in all that.
Once again, Thank You Plenum for your Words.
Thank You for your reply.
(07-28-2014, 06:30 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: I assume in the quote given that that is one of the beneficial uses of 3d catalyst offered to the 6d personality.
The Higher Self, is, in effect, already complete, but the movement of the current (incompleted) self can take place through the considered use of experience.
I think when the magical personality is invoked (as per Ra's quote), then the time/space bridge is made real (as in deep sleep and dreaming) and the tools of the unconscious can be applied to what has been experienced in the conscious waking world. It is almost like a much higher-rated CPU or processor that can crunch through the data more quickly and efficaciously than just the limited conscious 3d mind. It is still 'us' that is experiencing and utilising the 3d catalyst, but it is employing a vaster set of resources to tackle the issue; much like if one doesn't know the answer to a normal question, you either google it or pose it to the forums.
We can always get answers or solutions to personal catalyst by either trying to figure it all out on this side of the Veil, or by employing a fuller component of the Self.
First of all, your grasp of "Catalyst" is always amazing for me. I am truly crawling in this subject. I'm at verge of really understanding concept of Catalyst in my day-to-day life. I've notice that it changes my reactions to that what happens in my life. Instead of impatience or anger, I can take "step back" and look at things from far greater perspective - almost as of out of this density perspective (at least that's what I feel often lately).
Secondly, as I'm thinking of it, I don't even know what I could "ask" my Higher Self. I thing "contact" with "It" alone would be extremely profound for me - to be able to experience Self as boundless consciousness.
As far as I can remember I was meeting/experiencing boundaries of Self, and for the most part it was not a "constructive experience". So much have changed since I've opened my Self to Ra's Teachings and met Other-Selves that Share this Openness.
(07-28-2014, 06:30 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: The one tool that is most readily available to us is through the process of nightly dreaming. That also establishes the time/space bridge through the Veil, and the tools of the unconscious are applied to unused conscious experiences, and the feedback takes place in the form of dream narratives and symbolism. That is feedback to the self on how to proceed/learn.
I'm very incapable of interpreting symbolism. Due to my mind approach (which is not "forced" - it is simply the way I process things/Beings/Self) I'm quite literal in understanding and communication. That's also reason why I'm afraid that I will not recognize important/profound things/happenings/events in Self. As far as I know I might already experienced attempts of communications with my Self, but ignored them due to perceiving them as inexplicable/ambiguous/opaque/indefinite/trivial.
More and more I can see, that my mind is in same degree Great Help as Great Constraint. I'm looking for ways to "cope with Self" that do not involve my mind, but as he/it is my only point of reference, I have truly no idea how to proceed.
(07-28-2014, 06:30 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: as for the Higher Self being invoked in a deep state of meditation, I think this has similar effects/benefits to the dream narrative, with the possible advantage that recall of the experience might be more accurate, given the fact that the conscious mind is aware.
This is most fascinating for me - to be conscious of such "Event".
At this point I would like to write, that since yesterday, when I first read your quotes of Q'uo, I was thinking a lot of this parts:
(06-26-2014, 03:34 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote:Q'uo Wrote:(...)
When one moves into the tuning up in order to achieve that abandonment of the everyday and the total focus upon the divine,(...)
(...)
(...)he is [priest] tuning himself up to be more than he is in his everyday persona. He is dropping away and abandoning that earthly portion of self in order that he may be transparent to the divine.
(...)
(...)to hold that high pitch of intensity, that abandonment of all but the deepest will and desire on a steady-state basis(...)
To abandon Our current/earthly/third density Self and to open to the divine.
I can't explain it, but it spoke to me deeply and I understood/understand a lot thanks to those words. Even my yesterday meditation was different from all I've done before - much deeper and with much more calmness within my Self.
I'm not sure how to explain it - I think It allowed me to look at my "current Self" from greater perspective. Until now I always thought that meditation and "spiritual work" is something that I am doing. Now I can see more clearly that my "I" in this density is a relative (poor in fact) grasp of my true Beingness.
Also metaphor of "priest robes" appealed to me significantly.
Both above mentioned things were/are a Great aid to my Understanding. That's why I thanked You so much
(07-28-2014, 06:30 AM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote: as for the actual 'Work' of the Higher Self, I think these all have to do with the examination of the self. The process of spiritual evolution is the movement of the mind/body/spirit complex towards the state of the Higher Self.
through understanding of the Self comes healing, and once the self is healed, then one can then be a living embodiment of those understandings, and offer the possibility of those completed patterns ('understandings') to others; either explicity through communication, or just by one's presence, which will be experienced by the other-self as being in the space of something very harmonious, accepting, gracious, and non-judgemental. This alternate viewpoint of 'healing' is that of the integrated self at the mental level; as opposed to the physical (which will always reflect that state of mind), or the spiritual (whose fields are largely undistorted, and are just waiting for the opportunity to be called and employed by the mind complex of the entity).
I've never "felt" my Spiritual side - at least not since I'm grown, fully conscious man. I'm seeking my Spirit with Great desire of experiencing it. And yet, I have same concern, as stated previously - that I may/might not recognize it at all. I have no point of reference in this field - at all. I don't even know how/what to ask about that.
Also, I do realize that I have a lot of "integration" to do, as in some spheres I feel strongly "compartmented". Looking at it as "Healing" is helpful, as it endow this process with strong, positive connotations. In the past I've perceived "work with Self" as "process that require force-based action". Now I understand that Love and Acceptance are Key Factor in all that.
Once again, Thank You Plenum for your Words.