Law of One Advanced Teachings and The Mind

[Peregrinus]

I do apologize brother if I appeared to be condescending. It is my sincere wish that that distortion is not conveyed in this or further messages.

You are indeed correct on a number of points, and I understand you becoming upset with me. I have been addressing this conversation from a dispassionate and more intellectual perspective so as to make sense to you, though that has not worked because your rationalization skills and experiences in this illusion are different than mine. I will try to approach this from a different angle.

ra describes various densities, experiences without any issues, to the best of the words existing on this planet.

I do not remember such exactness in Ra's words; I remember generalities which gave a glimpse, but nothing concrete. Can you perhaps provide for me a couple examples of what you say Ra said about fourth density? something specific which will further increase my immediate awareness of such?

moreover, buddha, Jehoshua, and all the other spiritual seekers who have come and passed from the face of this planet attempted to present what they have and what they had to offer to the furthest extent possible. there are innumerable monasteries in india and tibet over buddha's teachings for example.

This is a beautiful concept, and one that I believe was capable of being manifested in the past. The present is less conducive to such, for there has been so much negative distortion to make such possible and acceptable. I have many people nowadays personally desiring for me to impart to them how I am able to remain in a state of what appears to them to be permanent bliss, yet I find that I think they would prefer a pill or medicine to knowing. Few do though water the seed of thought I place at their feet.

similarly, if you have experienced something, you also can describe them to the best of your and language's ability. yet, you are choosing not to do that, and leaving it 'mystic'.

You are correct that I may describe such, though as per your understanding of my description of my view of the One Creator, at its very core of being... has already proven this theory as being difficult to do, for you misunderstood and added context to what I said. The minute details and understanding which I garnered from the experience are such that I find them extremely difficult to explain accurately, and unless you experience the same, I can not begin to see how you would or could understand. I am not slighting you; I just don't see how you can fathom something that I think seems to you to be illusion, and that you clearly do not hold faith in, when to me this knowledge, understanding, and faith is absolutely real and unshakable.

I would suggest that today's world is so much different than the world of two hundred and beyond years ago. Although knowledge was not so available as it is now, the state of consciousness of many was at a higher level than it is today. Today it is all over the board, as it were, and the vast majority of mbsc reside in the lower extremes.

Logic can only take the third density seeker so far, at which point the consciousness must be moved from the mind to the heart in order to continue advancement. Yes, logic will take the seeker to that point faster, but logic/knowledge is not a required part of this third density existence, being that this is a density designed to make the choice.

When I spoke previously of those that choose to incarnate with what would be considered additional challenges, I was speaking about those that are in third density vehicles that are, as is said, "mentally challenged". These people may have a high level of consciousness irregardless of what "intelligent people" might see the mentally challenged persons state of mind. The same goes for infants. Although knowing little, having forgotten everything due to the veil, their state of consciousness is such that they reside at a state slightly below enlightenment. Knowledge and experience in this modern world, for the most part do nothing but reduce that.

your standing is your standing and belongs to you. however, you are not presenting your standing as something like that - you are presenting it as an argument to state the wrongness of others' approach, and the correctness of yours. the progression so far basically moved as; "oh brother, had you known what i known, you would understand. i have been there, i know what you think, and you will know soon too" - basically stating that our approach was faulty and wrong. had this not been presented as an argument, it would not be anyone's business to question it and ask for details. yet, because you have put it as an argument to state the wrongness of certain approaches, going to the extent of 'i have wandered above this octave', the people who you are discussing anything with naturally ask you to define your argument.

yet when questioned as to the nature of your experience that makes you say this, you say that you dont need to explain to have a leg to stand on in our view.

at this point we have 4 choices we can make :

1 - accept that 'you have been there and know it', we dont, hence you are right, we are wrong without asking for any details
2 - question you as to the details
3 - if you dont give details make our own assumptions
4 - not discuss with you at all

So, if I were to explain as such:

And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

Since this is has been the accepted understanding of creation for two thousand years, is it acceptable as truth? Does it explain The One Creator having its Original Thought better than I did? What I saw I have come to understand to be the same thing, though this description was designed to allow people to understand, in a simple way, that which is complex. I could go into complexities, though they would no do justice to what I have seen, and one most likely would still not understand/believe because they need to experience it them self in order to. Again, this is not a slight; how can one explain what chocolate cake tastes like to those that have never tasted it?

Take a UFO sighting for example. I, with several others, had a UFO encounter before I was ten years of age. When telling others about it, they refuted it, telling the lot of us that had seen the UFO that we had seen a plane, or a helo, or a weather balloon, etc etc. I stopped telling people, but I know what I had seen, a really large round shiny metallic disk, with lights on the outer edge, hovering silently above the ground, which eventually left, accelerating into space unlike any technology we currently even know of. Explaining this still doesn't make you believe it. Although many would like to believe, they need that one time of personal tangible experience to get a firm hold on that belief, and even then, very often, they disbelieve the self. Faith is a difficult place to go to, as I have heard it said "It's like being blindfolded and stepping onto a staircase that you can't even see the first step".

As I re-read my above paragraph, I see no mention that I am above the illusion at this point in illusory time. In fact, I see the opposite. I explain how I am affected by the illusion the same as you are. I would think that to suffice to show my understanding that I am bathed in the illusion the same as you are. Was I unclear in that explanation?

your various statements and approaches have been saying otherwise. i am the creator, all of these is an illusion, choice is an illusion, and so on.

I would say that one can be both, but that is incorrect. One IS both. One IS all. Only the perception of separateness exists. I understand this is paradoxical; it is meant to be. That is part of the illusion, THE reason for the implimentation of the veil, and the beginnings of coming to understand it as such.

Again, there is no time, only the illusory perception of it. One can no more hold onto the past as they can the future. Only the instant, the moment, is reality, for it is part of The Thought. I am (we are) therefore here and there in all places in all time, for there is only the here and the now, The Thought. All else is the illusion contained within The Thought.

here. answer to your question in the above block.

This above sentence(s?) is not structured correctly and as such does not make sense. Can you rephrase?

illusory perception of illusory time within a reality that is created by illusion, means that, within the bounds of that illusion, that illusion and all its perceptions, are real.

Only if you perceive it as such, and again, this is why the veil was implemented, so to give this perception.

I am both the illusion and infinity, as you are, as each is. You are simply unable to accept being that which you are, ... yet.

again, another statement of the same sort, putting your current self above the illusion. you arent both the illusion and infinity. you are illusion. the infinity, is in a future vantage point. thats what im talking about.

I placed myself above nothing, stating you are the same, as we all are. If you know it then you you know it as truth, and if you do not, then it is the truth which you do not know. There is no wrong or right in this. It simply is.

As I have seen The Creator, it is a spirit complex totality. "In its image" would mean what? That we are in its image as a sun? As a planet? As a rock? As a human? All of these are part of the Creator and as such are in "its" image, but really, is there an image as we may perceive it?

now we are coming to the crux of the matter. if, the creator you saw is a spirit complex totality, then it is not the creator you speak about - a spirit complex totality is a spirit complex totality of any given segment. your own, your societal complex (whichever you belong to), or the galaxy your societal complex belongs to, or any grouping that your galaxy belongs to, or any other grouping in the universe, or the universe, or groupings of universes as they go higher and higher.

i do not know whether you have seen your (or any other grouping's) totality - you havent described the details, however, if you have seen, it is not the creator you speak of - as a finite entity that is still manifesting as a finite entity, it is impossible for you to see, experience, or become one with over any certain portion of the totality, because your mind/body/spirit complex wouldnt be able to handle it. to handle and observe an infinite concept, you need to be infinite yourself. since you havent returned to infinity, and still here with us as an individual entity, you havent been infinity, so, that means, you havent observed infinity. in conjunction with this, it means you have observed only a certain part of a certain totality (if you have), and you have felt certain feelings and experiences during it. feeling a feeling of oneness, peace, tranquility, joy is related to receiving or vibrating in those energies in any given energy center for a given amount of time, and its not related to knowing. they basically signify the feeling associated with a given ray.

even these details aside, you are speaking of having seen a spirit complex totality. which is something that occurs with mind/body/spirit complex of an entity becoming whole, total. it still has body in it, it still has mind in it, even in the meaning of 7d body. having a body, would mean that something is still part of an illusion, as you speak of.

the creator you speak of would be above 7d.

I'm sorry, again, for the misunderstanding. I am apparently unable to explain properly what I have seen, Creation. This method of vibratory sound complex communication is limited at best. I am unable to fully convey to you what I have seen, no matter what words I use. Consider this if you will. A man says to his wife "I love you". Another man walks up behind his wife, kisses her on the neck, embraces her, and says nothing. Which of the two experiences communicates the feeling better? If you agree that the second one does, then perhaps you might accept the difficulty in explaining that which was shown me without words. I believe I began a thread on this. Perhaps you might find that and refer to my specific thoughts at the time I had the experience.

All densities, all octaves ARE of the Creator's original Thought. The Creator is not above, or below, anything.

The closest I might describe The Creator is as a huge ball of love/light, somewhat like a sun, though very unlike a sun in that its points of love/light extend outward creating the illusion like the points of an amethyst extend outwardly. This is a poor description though, as to explain that which is in my minds eye is just that, truly unexplainable. It took me a long and confused initial day to come to terms with seeing The Creator having The Original Thought, and months to truly grasp the finer points. This is not easily explained.

well, if you have seen a huge ball of love/light, somewhat like a sun, especially if it had a white light with a golden tint, nature, that would describe a 6th density entity, as Ra tells us. not a spirit complex totality.

this also coincides with the nature and feelings of the experience you speak of also. and it explains various other things.

As I said, "somewhat like a sun, though very unlike a sun". I knew when I wrote that, that it would be misunderstood... the more important part of that is the "unlike a sun". The Creator is made of both love and light, and the visual part of that is a brilliant white light.

Please re-read the forum rules and abide by them brother. Saying my words are irrelevant is against forum rule number 1. I shall not respond to these statements until/unless you reword/rewrite them in a continuing post in accordance with forum rules...

your response, was irrelevant to my question. it still is irrelevant to my question, and this has nothing to do with manners, forum rules, or any other thing.

Because you do not understand what I said does not mean it was irrelevant; it means you do not understand it.