(06-27-2010, 02:24 PM)unity100 Wrote: illusory perception of illusory time within a reality that is created by illusion, means that, within the bounds of that illusion, that illusion and all its perceptions, are real.
Well said! Proof of this: Do any of us dare to jump off a skyscraper without going splat?
Teenagers on acid tried just that. They saw beyond the illusion and thought they could fly. Even while having their perception of the illusion pierced, while still in a physical body, the illusion proved to be real.
On the other hand, we've all heard reports of master (such as the Taoist sages, Jesus, etc.) who seemingly broke the rules of the illusion, by reconnecting severed limbs, performing psychic surgery, walking on water, etc. Which leads me to conclude that, if done naturally rather than artificially as in with synthetic hallucinagens, the veil may indeed be pierced both physically as well as mentally.
(06-27-2010, 02:24 PM)unity100 Wrote: if, the creator you saw is a spirit complex totality, then it is not the creator you speak about - a spirit complex totality is a spirit complex totality of any given segment. your own, your societal complex (whichever you belong to), or the galaxy your societal complex belongs to, or any grouping that your galaxy belongs to, or any other grouping in the universe, or the universe, or groupings of universes as they go higher and higher.
How could we possibly know that what we are perceiving in our deepest meditations is actually the Creator of some subset thereof? Would not our own Higher Self seem as 'God' to us?
(06-27-2010, 02:24 PM)unity100 Wrote: i do not know whether you have seen your (or any other grouping's) totality - you havent described the details, however, if you have seen, it is not the creator you speak of - as a finite entity that is still manifesting as a finite entity, it is impossible for you to see, experience, or become one with over any certain portion of the totality, because your mind/body/spirit complex wouldnt be able to handle it.
The Tao that can be named is not the eternal Tao.
ie. but a distortion of it.
(06-27-2010, 02:24 PM)unity100 Wrote: to handle and observe an infinite concept, you need to be infinite yourself. since you havent returned to infinity, and still here with us as an individual entity, you havent been infinity, so, that means, you havent observed infinity. in conjunction with this, it means you have observed only a certain part of a certain totality (if you have), and you have felt certain feelings and experiences during it. feeling a feeling of oneness, peace, tranquility, joy is related to receiving or vibrating in those energies in any given energy center for a given amount of time, and its not related to knowing. they basically signify the feeling associated with a given ray.
even these details aside, you are speaking of having seen a spirit complex totality. which is something that occurs with mind/body/spirit complex of an entity becoming whole, total. it still has body in it, it still has mind in it, even in the meaning of 7d body. having a body, would mean that something is still part of an illusion, as you speak of.
the creator you speak of would be above 7d.
Quote:16.19 Questioner: Can you give me some kind of history of your social memory complex and how you became aware of the Law of One?
Ra: I am Ra. The path of our learning is graven in the present moment. There is no history, as we understand your concept. Picture, if you will, a circle of being. We know the alpha and omega as infinite intelligence. The circle never ceases. It is present. The densities we have traversed at various points in the circle correspond to the characteristics of cycles: first, the cycle of awareness; second, the cycle of growth; third, the cycle of self-awareness; fourth, the cycle of love or understanding; fifth, the cycle of light or wisdom; sixth, the cycle of light/love, love/light or unity; seventh, the gateway cycle; eighth, the octave which moves into a mystery we do not plumb.
(06-27-2010, 02:24 PM)unity100 Wrote: it is the same in ALL living creatures, entities, including single cell organisms.
I'm not sure I agree that single cell organisims have all the rays activated...or maybe they are present but lying dormant? Although, it makes sense that they would be, since they are microcosms of us, right?
I agree that the shape of the physical body is essentially irrelevant to the question. Dolphins' bodies are shaped totally differently, and look like 2D fish, yet they are our elders.
(06-27-2010, 02:24 PM)unity100 Wrote: your response, was irrelevant to my question. it still is irrelevant to my question, and this has nothing to do with manners, forum rules, or any other thing.
In all fairness, I perceived unity's use of the term irrelevant as similar to my own use of the term in the previous paragraph of this post, and not as anything personal. We are all relevant here. Some of our words might not be, in the context of another member's perception of the conversation. I just had blueberry pancakes. That is totally irrelevant!

I'm being silly here. Just kidding! (well, sort of)