(06-27-2010, 01:27 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: Firstly, I need not "a leg to stand on" in your eyes. My truth is simply that; my truth. Can one explain how to be Buddha? Jehoshua? Krishna? I think not. Each must find their own path. Each must do their own work. The Ra Materials explain very well what is required.
Perhaps I may entice you to watch this video by Carl Sagan. In it he explains how one cannot perceive other dimensions/densities unless they have travelled them. I find this to be the case here; you cannot possibly understand what I cannot possibly explain to you. I remember Ra saying something to the effect about fourth density "We cannot explain to you what is; only what is not". That is also the case here, though whilst in this illusion I have the lesser faculty, without conscious use of the social memory complex, in formulating a description of what is not.
ra describes various densities, experiences without any issues, to the best of the words existing on this planet.
moreover, buddha, Jehoshua, and all the other spiritual seekers who have come and passed from the face of this planet attempted to present what they have and what they had to offer to the furthest extent possible. there are innumerable monasteries in india and tibet over buddha's teachings for example.
similarly, if you have experienced something, you also can describe them to the best of your and language's ability. yet, you are choosing not to do that, and leaving it 'mystic'.
your standing is your standing and belongs to you. however, you are not presenting your standing as something like that - you are presenting it as an argument to state the wrongness of others' approach, and the correctness of yours. the progression so far basically moved as; "oh brother, had you known what i known, you would understand. i have been there, i know what you think, and you will know soon too" - basically stating that our approach was faulty and wrong. had this not been presented as an argument, it would not be anyone's business to question it and ask for details. yet, because you have put it as an argument to state the wrongness of certain approaches, going to the extent of 'i have wandered above this octave', the people who you are discussing anything with naturally ask you to define your argument.
yet when questioned as to the nature of your experience that makes you say this, you say that you dont need to explain to have a leg to stand on in our view.
at this point we have 4 choices we can make :
1 - accept that 'you have been there and know it', we dont, hence you are right, we are wrong without asking for any details
2 - question you as to the details
3 - if you dont give details make our own assumptions
4 - not discuss with you at all
Quote:As I re-read my above paragraph, I see no mention that I am above the illusion at this point in illusory time. In fact, I see the opposite. I explain how I am affected by the illusion the same as you are. I would think that to suffice to show my understanding that I am bathed in the illusion the same as you are. Was I unclear in that explanation?
your various statements and approaches have been saying otherwise. i am the creator, all of these is an illusion, choice is an illusion, and so on.
Quote:Again, there is no time, only the illusory perception of it. One can no more hold onto the past as they can the future. Only the instant, the moment, is reality, for it is part of The Thought. I am (we are) therefore here and there in all places in all time, for there is only the here and the now, The Thought. All else is the illusion contained within The Thought.
here. answer to your question in the above block.
illusory perception of illusory time within a reality that is created by illusion, means that, within the bounds of that illusion, that illusion and all its perceptions, are real.
Quote:I am both the illusion and infinity, as you are, as each is. You are simply unable to accept being that which you are, ... yet.
again, another statement of the same sort, putting your current self above the illusion. you arent both the illusion and infinity. you are illusion. the infinity, is in a future vantage point. thats what im talking about.
Quote:I was speaking of a physical mind, as a human might perceive it.
there is no physical mind. there is only mind, in divisions. racial, societal, individual, cosmic and so on. all, are mind. this is what we learn from Ra. brain is the mind's tool that projects the mind's thoughts into any given reality.
perhaps you are meaning to say the societal mind, or its subdivisions, or, a mind which acts in lockstep with the societal mind or subdivisions of it. they are still mind, albeit limited through various conditionings.
Quote:As I have seen The Creator, it is a spirit complex totality. "In its image" would mean what? That we are in its image as a sun? As a planet? As a rock? As a human? All of these are part of the Creator and as such are in "its" image, but really, is there an image as we may perceive it?
now we are coming to the crux of the matter. if, the creator you saw is a spirit complex totality, then it is not the creator you speak about - a spirit complex totality is a spirit complex totality of any given segment. your own, your societal complex (whichever you belong to), or the galaxy your societal complex belongs to, or any grouping that your galaxy belongs to, or any other grouping in the universe, or the universe, or groupings of universes as they go higher and higher.
i do not know whether you have seen your (or any other grouping's) totality - you havent described the details, however, if you have seen, it is not the creator you speak of - as a finite entity that is still manifesting as a finite entity, it is impossible for you to see, experience, or become one with over any certain portion of the totality, because your mind/body/spirit complex wouldnt be able to handle it. to handle and observe an infinite concept, you need to be infinite yourself. since you havent returned to infinity, and still here with us as an individual entity, you havent been infinity, so, that means, you havent observed infinity. in conjunction with this, it means you have observed only a certain part of a certain totality (if you have), and you have felt certain feelings and experiences during it. feeling a feeling of oneness, peace, tranquility, joy is related to receiving or vibrating in those energies in any given energy center for a given amount of time, and its not related to knowing. they basically signify the feeling associated with a given ray.
even these details aside, you are speaking of having seen a spirit complex totality. which is something that occurs with mind/body/spirit complex of an entity becoming whole, total. it still has body in it, it still has mind in it, even in the meaning of 7d body. having a body, would mean that something is still part of an illusion, as you speak of.
the creator you speak of would be above 7d.
Quote:Ra states clearly that only ~15% of Creation uses the bipedal ape body as the means for third density evolution. In that case, close to 85% uses other forms (images) for third density work. This then begs the question; is the bipedal ape in the image of the creator, or the bipedal grasshopper?
if you are understanding 'being in the image' of, as bipedal body or a jellyfish body, then you are not understanding the concept.
7 energy centers with 7th being the totality of all the lower 6, and 8th being the 1st of the next octave, and functioning and radiating and creating with the usage of mind as an entity, would better describe this image. it is the same in ALL living creatures, entities, including single cell organisms.
Quote:The closest I might describe The Creator is as a huge ball of love/light, somewhat like a sun, though very unlike a sun in that its points of love/light extend outward creating the illusion like the points of an amethyst extend outwardly. This is a poor description though, as to explain that which is in my minds eye is just that, truly unexplainable. It took me a long and confused initial day to come to terms with seeing The Creator having The Original Thought, and months to truly grasp the finer points. This is not easily explained.
well, if you have seen a huge ball of love/light, somewhat like a sun, especially if it had a white light with a golden tint, nature, that would describe a 6th density entity, as Ra tells us. not a spirit complex totality.
this also coincides with the nature and feelings of the experience you speak of also. and it explains various other things.
Quote:Please re-read the forum rules and abide by them brother. Saying my words are irrelevant is against forum rule number 1. I shall not respond to these statements until/unless you reword/rewrite them in a continuing post in accordance with forum rules...
your response, was irrelevant to my question. it still is irrelevant to my question, and this has nothing to do with manners, forum rules, or any other thing.
Quote:It is not your place to know or understand what my place of spiritual evolution is, any more than it is my place to know or understand yours. All is perfect.
it may not be my place to know or understand your place of spiritual evolution. and, i havent done that.
yet, you have done that precisely, saying that 'i have been there, i have done that, and you will learn later, you will see later' and so on.
as of this very moment, you see, im still not predicting your spiritual evolutionary level. i have asked you to describe your experience that you have put forth as an argument to wrongnes off my and one other participant's approach, yet, you have chose not to define it.