(06-23-2010, 11:23 AM)Pablísimo Wrote: I ask for an alternate interpretation because, to me, this seems like Ra is stating (admittedly by implication only) that becoming karmically involved is something to be AVOIDED by Wanderers. They then go on to state that one can become karmically involved by acting in a consciously unloving manner in action with other beings. I truly can think of no other situation that fits this description better than armed conflict between groups of people acting in a consciously unloving manner (ie shooting at eachother).
Can violence really be acceptable for a Wanderer? And if it is, doesn't that lead to karmic entanglement when done consciously in a war setting?
lets approach it from higher above, and come down towards our density ;
there are innumerable principles or higher density entities that are overseeing many things. ranging from devas to entities higher selves to local logoi to heaven knows what else galactic or even universal entities and principles and groups.
even as of now, there are happening many acts of violence. an entity is beating his wife, according to a life plan/pattern laid out by its higher self. (or himself too, if the entity is advanced enough). another entity is as of now killing someone, either in defense or with foul intent, by using his body. principles or entities or elements overseeing the functioning of body complexes are allowing the body to lift the arm and shoot another body dead. some groups in some social constructs around the world are killing and executing some other groups within or outside themselves. local logos is allowing these to happen. despite the fact that it, or similar larger entities or groups in higher densities can stop any of these events. actually, these are happening according to the plans the logos and higher entities laid out. leave all these aside, the entities that are performing the lifetaker duty are taking the lives of countless entities around the galaxy.
are they functioning without love ? are they being violent ?
Quote:As you noted, unfortunately, Ra did not go into much detail regarding these incarnations. I respect your interpretation that you feel that their armed conflict led to enhanced Freedom, however my own ........... or can of metaphysical worms. However, I am open to an alternate interpretation and welcome any thoughts you have to share on this aspect.
these are more conspiracy theories than easily analyzable historical facts. it is high chance that the societies, groups formed by that point may have transformed into power structures by this point. and actually that happening so was probably inevitable.
but at the time they were formed, all those societies, clubs in america and europe, seeking the freedom and equality of all people, freedom from shackles of negative hierarchical feudal constructs, were as positive as they could be in regard to freedom. examine society of Cincinnati, and how all the prominent members of the american revolution have stuck with its principles, and how important they were.
these entities had every chance to be powerful and stay in positions of power. they didnt need to maintain any illusion. however, after the example of Cincinnatus (the example roman - they named the society after him), washington turned down the position of king, when it was offered to him. and he and his comrades took every precaution to prevent establishment of an elite class in any way they could have conceived.
the 'any way they could have conceived' part is very important here. back in 1789, they took measures against anything they could imagine. but, they didnt think that, personal wealth and companies could grow so large that they could become king-level powers themselves. they did warn against banks and tried to take measures against them. but, they didnt think that anyone, any small "Shackington & Thawthing" like named corporation or group could grow so large that they could dwarf countries in power within and outside the country.
(06-23-2010, 11:27 AM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: Ra knew that they were put into a position of authority. They also knew that they could in a heartbeat tell Don what the source of a particular imbalance was or what course of action he could take to alleviate it or who he was in past lives or who the second gunman on the grassy knoll was. From their evolutionary position, they have access to all of this information and they knew that the information, coupled with the authority ascribed their words, would be taken as truth and put into effect in the entity's life pattern, thereby circumventing the possibility of entity learning for itself through blind choice.
While a human (being the Creator) can know and become the One, dissolving all illusions, I still t believe that the human entity (however much the humanness has been transcended) has neither the overview that Ra possessed nor the capacity to infringe on free will the way Ra could.
As far as I understand it, if you are operating within the third density in a yellow-ray, chemical body, you are free to share your truth and serve to the extent it is requested without fear of infringing by doing the learning for the other self. Though I could be wrong.
If you have something to share which you feel is profound and relevant to the discussion at hand, please do so. If members of the forums or the moderators suspect that "infringing" is taking place, then we will kindly ask that the activity be discontinued.
there is an important catch here.
any entity can, at any given point receive any kind of information from any given source, provided that the conditions are right. the nature of this information can be anything.
this is especially more so for wanderers, who, as we have been told, at this point in time, were (mainly) entities from 6d, having already been working with the logoi as co creators, and having access to much information, before getting incarnated here.
and as Ra says, it was seen that there were as many methods as the imagination or intuition of the entities can conceive of, consciously or unconsciously, to penetrate the veil.
that means any entity in a wanderer's position can penetrate the veil by chance in a way that, s/he can get access to information that s/he knew before birth, OR, even, can connect directly to intelligent infinity consciously or unconsciously, and get whatever info that chances to be available at that junction in time/space at that given point in our time.
and what any information can allow entities to do, is boundless.
at this point it would be wise to remember how the atlantean entities used the information they have been given/gleamed (through the very use of pyramids i might add, or similar methods), not to heal themselves, but to create lifeforms to serve them as underlings, and engage in war.
also worthy of remembering is how the information tesla left have been used to create destructive weapons akin to ufos, going half the speed of light and using psychotronic and beam weapons.
also it is worthy of remembering that, how the negative entity rasputin, remembered the atlantean experiences and learning by intuition, and used them to polarize negatively.
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thus, there are innumerable ways to gain information. and any seemingly innocent opinion, information we share here, may be a piece of information that could affect many things. one piece of information we impart here, may come up as a consequence a few billion years later in a different point in time/space.
it actually already did.