06-23-2010, 11:10 AM
(06-23-2010, 10:52 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: That doesn't necessarily mean that they thought violence was optimal or even acceptable. We know from Q'uo (see this session) that dependence on violence as a means of resolving conflict is a key element to the low/slow progress here, ie. an acceptance of violence is keeping people from becoming harvestable.
Thus, my interpretation of those Wanderers' willingness to utilize violence is that they did so because they had a long-term vision, and the long-term vision was more important than short-term goals like feeding the poor, as a 4D Wanderer like Mother Theresa focused on. (I think we agree on this.) Both goals are noble, but a statesman like Jefferson or Franklin incarnated for a very specific purpose. The fact that they utilized violence to achieve that purpose was an indication of just how violent our culture was, ie. violence was necessary because of circumstances, not because it was ideal.
there is an important distinction that needs to be made here - they didnt use violence to pursue their goals - they defended their goals when met with violent aggression.
their choice would be either accepting the aggression of the enslaving forces with love, therefore forfeiting their ideals, or defending their ideals with force.
there is a distinction of defense here. and this is a deep matter.
had this been a higher density, they could have used light, or various other means to hold off the aggression. but, incarnated 3d experience is one that doesnt provide for such strength. instead it is very easy to remove an incarnated entity from earth, using physical means. especially, considering that back in 18th century there wasnt even a green ray vibration about. so, it was either physical, or else.
Quote:The fact that they were able to do whatever was necessary to accomplish bigger, grander, long-term goals like instituting ideals of freedom, is a testament to their higher-density wisdom. I agree on this point, but wished to clarify that this doesn't necessarily indicate that violence is to be embraced. I'm certain that, had it been possible to accomplish their goals without violence, they would have.
if by violence you mean, using force to force various ideals, yes, i agree.
but at their point in time, it was impossible for them not to defend their ideals by force.
(06-23-2010, 10:39 AM)unity100 Wrote: I remember when I first realized, on my own, that the Bible had negative stuff in it. Then I read the Law of One, and was astounded to learn about the basis for my conclusions (the Orion influence). Had I read that a few years earlier, I would have cast it aside.
imagine what i experienced in that fashion, when i came from islam to that point.