2006.01.01 'Failure' of the plan that this logos chose

[unity100]

That may be true. However, perhaps hearts can bridge where intellects cannot.

this is not a matter of heart, a matter of thoughts and philosophies of 4d. this is a matter of 5 to 6 d and beyond, it involves understanding of disciplines and various philosophies. therefore, it cannot be bridged.

There can be understanding without agreement.

I personally am interested in your views. When you say "God" or "god" is there a distinction? Are you referring to the One Infinite Creator or to the Logos that created our particular little speck in the UniVerse?

im referring to intelligent infinity. the one derivative of infinity, which is infinity gaining intelligence and becoming intelligent infinity. it is 'god' as 'god' can be.

the logos that created our universe is, in this context, is 'god' knows how many logoses under this. it is possible that there can be a central logos that creates universes, and this particular universal logos of our universe has manifested out from it.

and then it is probable that that logos may be manifestation of another logos, and so forth. we do not know how the structuring is, outside our universe yet.

but, as far as what we know, we seem to be in a particular octave as this universe.

I think this entire thread could use a big dose of humility. Humility just means we acknowledge that ours is one of many possible viewpoints, and not necessarily the single 'right' answer. It also leaves room to learn something from someone else. It does not necessarily mean accepting an opinion we disagree with, or compromising our own opinions.

that is different and irrelevant though. respecting someone else's opinion and having to concede the thing someone else wants you to concede, despite being fundamentally in contrast with your own views and understanding, are two different things.

Just trying to understand...Are you saying that humbleness is never appropriate? Or do you think it is appropriate in some cases?

past 6, there should be no 'humbleness'. no lack of self esteem, no feelings of incapacity, no similar thing.

for, the 6th ray, the indigo ray, is the ray that is tied to these things. self-value, self-esteem, self-worth are carried on that ray, as well as many other properties, according to what we see from Ra's information. actually, there are numerous other sources also in line with this information, however.

after 6th, there is no 'can i' or 'can i not', you just 'do' things. you may not be able to move a mountain by thought, however, there should be no relevance of this to your self-worth, and your self worth should not be lost when thinking or facing anything, because that means loss of 6th ray activity, henceforth, the very important connection to infinity.

after 6h, you don the 'we' understanding and concept. there is no 'outside' god, ie, there is no 'god', or 'intelligent infinity'. you think and act as 'we', an equal member of an infinite sea.

therefore, acceptance and praise of an outside god, empowering of an outside god, the understanding of self as separate from infinity, are all detrimental to manifestation and progress.

there is neither the need for humility, nor the need for arrogance past that point.

Admittedly, I have not read all of the posts in this thread. But my understanding was that the discussion was about a perceived failure of the plan designed by this Logos, not the One Infinite Creator. Please forgive me if I have missed some pertinent posts in which the discussion turned to a perceived failure of the One Infinite Creator.

thats another issue, and correct indeed. it was about the plan of this logos. but, two people first identified this logos with infinity, then proceeded to defend its infallibility.

however it is also true on the highest level. (or maybe widest, i should say). the infinite intelligence is also not fallible. to be infallible, an entity needs to be infinity itself. however when infinity, there is no action, or reaction, nothing towards anything. infinity doesnt even exist, or it is nonexistent. it is a non factor.

therefore, intelligent infinity, the infinity which gained consciousness by self awareness, is an entity, and therefore, cant be infallible.

granted, the margin of error may be so narrow by our standards that it could be understood as infallibility, however, since each node of logos perceives itself as giving free will to its sub logoi (as Ra says so), the margin for error, the possibility to make mistakes should increase with each and every node that the logoi branch out.

therefore, it is possible that our central sun of the universe, may make mistakes, and experiments can fail. actually, that is why it is called an experiment in the first place, as Ra iterates countless times while talking about various logoi and their plans.

HOWEVER,

if, you look at the experiment from the 'discovering the nature of existence' part, the plan doesnt become a failure - because, the intent of th experiment then, should have been discovering of the limit of the free will. and when a particular experiment of giving free will repeatedly fails at one point (like the failure in this particular logos), then the whole universe (or our locale) will realize that, in our locale (each locale must have different characteristics), or in the conditions of our locale, giving this X amount of free will with Y amount of veil is the limit.

therefore, it makes the experiment a success by failure. it was intended to fail, with that regard.

however, trying to defend viability of the failure point, by just attributing 'greatness' to a creator which doesnt need any attribution, would be just irrational.

You raise a valid point. It is certainly possible that some members, maybe even all who have been involved in this thread, have had their buttons pushed. I saw that happen recently on another thread (with different participants). I agree with you that this is a very volatile topic, and volatile topics/radical ideas tend to push buttons. This is a very subconscious thing.

unfortunately so. even the open minded people have a lot of residual, subconscious conditioning from the thousands of years of conditioning and brainwashing particular hierarchical, control oriented religions and philosophies have injected into the culture.

i have first hand experience with this, being from a place which still has to battle for even the modest amount of open mindedness, leave aside the fact that i had to overcome these myself during my own journey of learning.

I'm sorry that you perceived rudeness and aggression on our forum. That's disconcerting. We try to maintain a loving and respectful tone here.

i didnt. i said that, normally such a discussion would proceed very rudely and aggressively in other places, and due to the nature of forum and the participants, it maintained its civility at a certain level.

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on another sidenote, topics should not be locked because some participants become aggressive, or insulting. that way, 2 person can get a thread locked even though 30 people are participating in it. this method is used by many trolls in many forums, and i have seen these myself in the forums i have ran myself.

this may not have happened in this occasion, but as the forum stays up it is inevitable that such people find their way here, and unfortunately there are many people who wont resonate with calls to civility and love or respect.

thread-banning should be used in my opinion. there are mods that allow that for many bulletin boards, there should be one for mybb too.