06-11-2010, 05:13 AM
(06-10-2010, 03:04 PM)unity100 Wrote: time/space appears chaotic, effervescent, fluid, and random. it seems impossible to fathom. from this, you conclude the 'unfathomableness' of existence, rather mistakenly overemphasizing the subconscious, time/space part of existence.It is not unfathomable. It simply does not fit in the MIND.
Quote:time/space appears chaotic, unintelligible because there are innumerable factors acting in conjunction and creating causation chains to create a particular result. and these happen very fast. there being too many fast acting factors to fathom doesnt mean that there isnt causation in an event.
Sorry, but you're speaking against the verifiable facts here. There are events without causation. As is evidenced by math, physics, biology and as has been known by practically all spiritual traditions since forever. Including the middle eastern variants you love to hate.
If you say there is always a causal factor you are wrong. It is you who is stuck in the western world view. And not even a modern variant. The heyday of reductionism is passed.
What Ra means is that there is ORDER, not that there is causality. Is the other side of the coin a causal response? Does one side of a coin CAUSE the other side? Clearly not. They just belong together in the order of things. And this is very different from causality. You have a tendency to hijack Ra or other peoples words in misunderstandings. You do not second guess yourself...
Causality by definition requires the flow of time. Just look it up in the dictionary. This flow of time is most relevant in our context, but not in the context of the universe. Causality is not the infinite chain you suggest.
Quote:ali qadir, as long as you invent and use your own terms and classifications, it will be impossible to discuss on a common basis with you. that is why, yes, maybe book 4 would be better.
Sorry, for the umpteenth time, I've read it. I also never had problems with my vocabulary before. Which isn't invented by the way but is perfectly average in western spiritual circles. I have tried adopting your vocabulary for the argument, to build a bridge, but that just ends in: "Everything we call mind and everything else we ignore" I refuse to take the blame for your inability to communicate. It takes two, and I do not see you making the effort. You don't even take the effort to spell my name right. Which you have seen at least 20 times and you're not a dyslexic. Why should I feel responsible for your choices if you don't care?
If you don't change the tune you will not learn the song and there is a real chance that you will miss out on understanding what you're clearly putting a lot of effort in to understand.
I suggest you do make an effort to communicate with your fellow forum members. You could actually learn something. They are a lot smarter than you pretend them to be.
Just fair feedback bro... Take it or leave it. Whatever you do, the consequences are yours.
I suggest studying Plato, I suggest studying Wittgenstein, I suggest studying the Tao. I suggest you look into chaos theory, the butterfly effect, know the principles of holography and study some systems theory. Because your knowledge right now isn't even up to date with 21st century scientific advances. I suggest you stop treating book 4 like the source of all knowledge, you need more than that book... to get what is in it...