05-14-2014, 10:34 AM
(05-13-2014, 04:29 PM)Ankh Wrote: This kid hasn't accomplished anything by himself, or by his own, instead all that he has is based on hard work of other people. Like the house that you live in. It is build by hard working Gaian people who worked 9-5, if not more. The food that you eat, is also produced by hard working Gaian people. Heck! The body you inhibit is borned into this world by sweat and blood and hard work of Gaian people.
I think the most challenging part about relating to, and accepting, A1's position is his seeming lack of recognition of how thoroughly that position relies on the work and energy of other people. (As you expressed in the quoted paragraph above, and as I was getting at
here.
Personally, I'm not judging his viewpoint, just examining what may be causing the difficulty of relating to it. In my estimation, that is the gaping hole in the position.
Adonai One, I am curious as to your response when asked directly: do you acknowledge that your position inherently means that other selves are carrying you? Whether directly (your wife - who I note is happy to do so) or indirectly (the people who, as Ankh have mentioned, have built the home, or grew the food, etc.) Whether you do or don't is your prerogative, I am just curious as to your response.
And if I may conjecture here, it seems that your position stems from suffering and pain:
(05-13-2014, 04:38 PM)Adonai One Wrote: The human body is not meant to sustain in the long-term with jobs like this, even management.
I can be a convicted worker but I see no virtue in it. I just see a collapse and denial of the self and for what? What is the attainment in the end? A memory of constant suffering. What the heck is the planet working towards?
So in order to avoid that suffering, you simply avoid what seems one of its causes: working for income.
Again, that's fine, no judgment. I think what creates some catalyst in terms of how we relate to one another is the rationale behind your decision, and the seeming lack of acknowledgement that your decision necessarily means that instead of being self-reliant, you are other self-reliant.
Further, there is some difficulty in relating because there seems to be a lack of recognition that most people feel similarly about their work. I would wager the vast majority of people on this planet likewise don't want to work. Many who work for income do so with varying degrees of suffering, more often than not that suffering is probably much worse than what you experienced during your one month at Wal-Mart.
And that's one among a myriad sources of suffering: the cocooned, insulated, narrowed focus on the self's concerns to the exclusion of the wider reality around one.
With love/light,
GLB
PS: I ask you these questions because it seems you're entirely comfortable discussing you. They are not put forward in a challenging or judgmental spirit.
Explanation by the tongue makes most things clear, but love unexplained is clearer. - Rumi