2006.01.01 'Failure' of the plan that this logos chose

[unity100]

Unity wrote:

you are misinterpreting yourself. i didnt say 'you people'.


Unity wrote:

"....it is ironic that some of you people talk about how infinite existence is, and how infinite we are, and talk about the power of soul, previous incarnations, wanderers, dimensions and astral planes AND then talk about limited human experience.....

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Nuff said...

Richard

notice there are no references to patriarchical religions in that sentence.

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Your "propaganda" is not in accordance with reality. The shamanic tribes before and around any mayor religions including those you speak of belittled and humbled human beings. Mayans sacrificed humans, just like the druids did. Egyptians had slaves.

And while the far eastern religions are very advanced you will find monasteries there that require complete obedience of it's inhabitants. Just like everywhere else.

your examples are irrelevant.

'belittling and humbling' human beings is not relevant to discouragement and prevention of the religion members from thinking about existence, 'god', and the secrets of creation.

mayans sacrificed humans, yet mayans themselves were not forbidden from learning and thinking in any religious way.

egyptians had slaves, however there was the 'death' school, which was dedicated to studying mysteries of death and afterlife, and even greeks came from overseas to study there. not to mention that there were tens of major gods, which were maintaned and kept with their own priests, and you could worship and adopt the philosophy of whichever suited you.

you have confused 'obedience for politics' with philosophy.

This is not part of the original religions. However the process of structuring and institutionalizing requires and causes the belittling and discouragement you speak of..

Let me assure you that these negatives are the product of human interaction. They have little to do with the original religions but they are quickly incorporated into them, and obviously into everything else we do. If you want to play soccer. They're going to downplay your abilities to keep you playing like a team member.

political obedience requirement of civilizations in various brutal forms since the dawn of time is something,

incorporating religion, belief, afterlife into it, and using that as a tool to control the populations in physical life is another.

the second, is the invention of middle east. some time after agriculture spread as a technology, the priest-king culture started, and all the priest-kings have started to invent various gods and claimed they are its prophet, and required obedience from all others. some time after, a group of babylonian locals have gained the upper hand, and declared their god as above all others. this is how the 'one god' concept started.

thereafter, it was used to propagate political agenda of the priest class.

You really have an issue with the major religions haven't you? What happened to you? What did participants of those religions do to you?

my hobby is history. in my spare time i research various subjects.

'what did participants of those centrist middle east religions did to this world', is a veery long topic, with hundreds of lines of subjects, each of which are subject matters in themselves that one can prepare papers on.

see.

its 2010, we are talking about channeled material, densities and whatnot, however there are 2 people who are fervently trying to defend the 'we cannot understand existence' concept that is built into these particular religions, instead of opening their brains into new possibilities, and brainstorming about the existence instead.

even this, is in itself detrimental.

The notion that the logos can fail, and that we as subsubsub logoi are capable of figuring this out and blaming the big old goof is really silly. It's a gut feeling due to the fact that the speaker is intimately aware of the distortions between his desire and his reality.

However, it is the speaker who is failing his plans. Not the galactic logos. Your simple mind cannot fathom the logos. You can only connect to it and express it. This is not an intellectual process. This is the emotional process of projection. It's well documented. Look it up.

first of all, in case you havent followed the topic, this is not only 'my gut feeling' and my 'desire'. a long q'uo quote was made in earlier pages of this topic, and i have talked on that.

according to what you said, quo also has a simple mind that failed, because they - god forbid - took the liberty of mentioning that this logo's plan was faulty.

P: My question came up in the last session. It was surrounding Maldek and Mars. Why does it seem like such a current theme for planets to be destroying themselves? Not planets but peoples of the planets, destroying themselves, their cultures! Is it central to this solar system or is it a common theme in third density?

We are those of Q’uo, and are aware of your query, my brother. The pattern, my brother, we would agree is well advanced and is indeed endemic to this region of space controlled by the Logos, or shall we say, sub-Logos that is your sun. The creation that was designed by this entity used a great deal of free will and a heavy veiling so that it takes actual effort for most people to retrieve their memory of the larger picture that moves beyond one incarnation into the grand design of the creation itself and you as citizens of eternity.

We are not saying that the Creator has not gained a rich harvest of new information about Itself from this particular design of creation. However it does seem that the combination of advanced free will and advanced veiling of the actual metaphysical situation have created conditions that are unusually likely to produce the thought pattern of aggression in order to get one’s way. Since it is so difficult to see that we are all one in your third-density experience, since the veiling is so complete, it becomes possible for entities to contemplate ending another’s life with less discomfort than if they were contemplating ending their own life. This has made it possible for entities to become habituated to the destruction of other selves.

im leaving aside the fact that you dont know that this heavy veiling plan is active in approximately up to 7 logoses (planetary systems) that are of this locale (outer rim of the galxy), and Ra also puts out that veil is not in place in places that are close to the galactic sun.

meaning, there is no veil, when you start to get closer to galactic logos. leave aside heavy/light veiling, there is no veil.

i was talking about the local sun, sol, and the failure of the plan sol chose, yet, you have gone as far to mistake it as galactic logos, commenting without understanding, and contradicted yourself :

if this veil is here in this local logos, and its not faulty, then it is the galactic logos that is faulty, because there is no veil as you get close to the centre of galaxy.

if, galactic logos is right, then, this local logos is faulty, because it implements a veil system.

it becomes a contradiction, but, with that 'we cant just fathom it' mindset of the old middle eastern religions you are trying to defend, you can just quit trying to work on this and just say 'we cant just fathom it'.

its an escape route, in addition to a control mechanism that is used by priest-king cults.

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notice, how fervently you are defending some 'one god', that, if exists in the form you believe it to be, would not need anyone's defense. you have even justified to go to lengths to not only accept yourself as incapable, and let go of your intellectual capacity to use in understanding existence, but also you are trying to lord it onto another of your fellow beings, by openly declaring that his/her mind is 'simple' and cannot fathom the creation. you are basically trying to limit another of your fellow beings in his studies, understanding of existence. it so becomes that, the questioning of the motives and plans of one LOCAL logos, that is a part of the infinite existence, and which is stated repeated times by Ra, quo and many other channelings as a being that is LEARNING, becomes a blasphemy in your eyes.