04-27-2014, 09:18 PM
Immanuel, have you ever played a guitar or a drum or other instrument?
The sound that is created from such an instrument is arising out of a causal pattern that begins in the Creator. The very energy of the Creator as it is express through the individuated form is the source of the power which causes the vibration which causes the sound. However, the actual experience of the sound, the sound waves and its frequency are not actually the actual source nor the actual force which has given rise to the experience. The sound is produced by processes which are not only invisible, but because they stem from our own multi-dimensional nature the sound is actually only the effect or perception of something which does not actually have any dimensions.
To put it another way, the "light" we see and work with metaphysically is, in my opinion, not actually the force we work with but is just the interpretation our visual minds are most capable of interacting with. As you say with development and increased use and utilization of our physical instruments we can expand this visual and perceive greater light and realities, however, all of those experiences and perceptions are an "end-product" of experience and are privy to our "filtering".
That being said, I believe the universe itself is actually neither material nor immaterial. It is a suspension of information within information. We are capable of interacting with it in a way that we may consciously, physically perceive and interact with some parts while not doing so as directly with others. This, of course, really ties in to a mass confusion necessarily of what "physical" and "non-physical" means as people seem to have different interpretations of this concept.
For me, the whole argument appears to be completely redundant. All material is immaterial and can be made immaterial, and all that is immaterial can be made material. I see this as one of the great secrets of Alchemy is the knowledge of the transmutation of energy between is material and immaterial forms, from spirit to matter and back. Just some of my thoughts anyways.
The sound that is created from such an instrument is arising out of a causal pattern that begins in the Creator. The very energy of the Creator as it is express through the individuated form is the source of the power which causes the vibration which causes the sound. However, the actual experience of the sound, the sound waves and its frequency are not actually the actual source nor the actual force which has given rise to the experience. The sound is produced by processes which are not only invisible, but because they stem from our own multi-dimensional nature the sound is actually only the effect or perception of something which does not actually have any dimensions.
To put it another way, the "light" we see and work with metaphysically is, in my opinion, not actually the force we work with but is just the interpretation our visual minds are most capable of interacting with. As you say with development and increased use and utilization of our physical instruments we can expand this visual and perceive greater light and realities, however, all of those experiences and perceptions are an "end-product" of experience and are privy to our "filtering".
That being said, I believe the universe itself is actually neither material nor immaterial. It is a suspension of information within information. We are capable of interacting with it in a way that we may consciously, physically perceive and interact with some parts while not doing so as directly with others. This, of course, really ties in to a mass confusion necessarily of what "physical" and "non-physical" means as people seem to have different interpretations of this concept.
For me, the whole argument appears to be completely redundant. All material is immaterial and can be made immaterial, and all that is immaterial can be made material. I see this as one of the great secrets of Alchemy is the knowledge of the transmutation of energy between is material and immaterial forms, from spirit to matter and back. Just some of my thoughts anyways.
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