(02-07-2014, 02:41 PM)Tanner Wrote:Less distortion is available after lessons learned which offered the acceptance necessary to transcend and include a prior condition. You know how adults watching children know, in general, how they are engaged in their influences? Exact same thing.(02-07-2014, 02:32 PM)zenmaster Wrote: The experience of an individual is also what is used to relate the experience of an individual. There is nothing else available. So yes, it has everything to do with it. And there is a difference between an experience which is more distorted than another as far as its ability to relate something of value to those seeking less distortion of that nature.
The relativism hand-waving thing becomes an absurdity at a point when relativism is actually accepted rather than being a significant contention of observed interaction. The idea of "acceptance" also transforms as distortion is lessened. For many here, what passes for acceptancr is obviously still an unconscious reaction from a perceived ego judgment (as they are still involves in balancing that aspect of yellow to a large degree). The frame is applied and used "as if", and bolstered by personal comfort and congruency with what is able to be accepted so far (which is often latched to a recognizable meme and there for largely unconscious)
You say here, "obviously still an unconscious reaction", to whom is this obviousness apparent and if it is apparently obvious to one but not to another, whom can be said to be perceiving with "less distortion"?
(02-07-2014, 02:41 PM)Tanner Wrote: I agree with much of what you say, most of the time, ZM, but what I have never figured out from your explanations is what is the objective measure of distortion as related to the descriptions of individuals' experiences, and what qualifies one to describe the apparent blockages of another?It's just psychology and experience in recognizing shared patterns of behavior which are an expression of values, joy, suffering and struggle. If you are serious about being a healer, you don't have to study psychology, but it would be worthwhile to examine your own condition, your symbols, collective symbols, and mythology. These things are borrowed and expressed in different ways by individuals, but the underlying themes are always the same because they are collective in nature.
I am not asking to be facetious, but it is an actual concern of mine from the standpoint of being a healer who is often asked to give an assessment from my perspective of another's state.
(02-07-2014, 03:03 PM)Tanner Wrote:When we make a claim or have an opportunity to provide opinion, judgment, or insight we always have an ability to know if that which we are drawing from had been acknowledged, accepted, and assessed fully (owned) and if not, why not. That standpoint will always offer the least amount of distortion and the most teaching and learning opportunity. Same thing with assessing emotional reaction and withdrawing projections before making a post. If you are projecting, then you are also necessarily lazily inhibiting a more valuable learning opportunity.(02-07-2014, 03:02 PM)zenmaster Wrote: I have never seen a case where searching for a basis of belief in one's worldview as it applies to circumstance was not a fruitful effort. I have seen where unacknowledged, dishonest understanding was used as the basis of "acceptance" and "loving intention" and from such a distorted, sick position, used to misframe what constitutes healthy, ethical behavior. In every such circumstance of misevaluation, experience for the basis of the disagreement was utterly ignored or bypassed to satisfy a disowned apprehension.
Could you reword this or give an example of what you mean?
My main point is that it is always possible to recognize when we do not actually know something, when we are called to provide some experience which is simply not there. We are in an "unprepared" or "unaccountable" state yet we tragically go on to fill in the blanks instead with desires, projection or bullshit - such as the bullshit that saturates these forums.