(04-29-2010, 11:44 AM)thefool Wrote: Yea! this is a nail biter for me. is it gradual or sudden, is it gradual or sudden. she loves me she loves me not, she loves me she loves me not....
I am currently leaning towards the sudden changes like the boiling of water. Intensity will gradually pick up and then whoop... But I am not fixed on this...I may change my mind on this...
Let's start with what do we know for sure. That this will be a 4 density planet around 2012.
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Questioner: After this period of thirty years I am assuming that this will be a fourth-density planet. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is so.
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After that I have certain questions about the gradual harvest theory.
1. Ra said that the new 4D and 3D can not co-exist. So how is gradual process where people are going to die naturally, going to work? Let's say planet is 4D and people are still 3D and one of them dies naturally and comes back as harvested 4D+. So either this 4D+ waits in the heavens until the last person dies of the natural causes or this harvested 4D+ finds a new planet. How is all that going to work out?
2. What happens to the birthing process after Earth is 4D+? So the young people will have kids and these kids are going to be 4D+ right ? Then how do they co-exist with 3D people?
I guess my doubts are around the co-existence of 3D and 4D (sorry could not find the exact quote)
First off, regarding nuclear blasts, a quote from Q'uo in 2006 says contrary:
Quote:We have the right to rescue entities that may have been blown up in a nuclear explosion. We do not have the right to interfere with such an explosion.
Secondly, the harvest. Some more from Q'uo.
This implies 3D and 4D are mutually exclusive...
Quote:Eventually, your planet will no longer be able to sustain the evolutionary energy necessary to live a third-density life. Once this has occurred and there are no longer any third-density entities dwelling on the planet, fourth density will indeed become able not only to interpenetrate third density but to appear. At this point in its development, all of fourth density chooses not to appear. It chooses to remain as an unseen energy in order to allow the third-density entities to complete their patterns.
Quote:You cannot become a fourth-density entity within third density. However you would be surprised how deep a change that you can make in the life of your body, as well as your mind and your spirit, by disciplining your thoughts.
This says that it is being populated...
Quote:Fourth density already exists. It is a very sound and healthy child. It is a new heaven and a new Earth. And it is being filled more and more each day with those who have ascended, in the natural way of things, from planet Earth through the gateway of death. It is the great hope of many energies and essences of your inner planes, such as your angels and your guardians, that each of you may enjoy a leisurely, organic and natural ascension through that gateway to larger life that is the physical death.
Another option: 3D summer school...
Quote:Your Earth shall become, in the fullness of time, a fourth-density positive planet. However, there is a golden period that is coming for your people. It is a time when those entities who have graduated third density and who are very concerned with the karmic patterns of their past are going to be able to create a time of restitution on planet Earth.
It will be a difficult time. It will be a challenging time. For the technology that you have currently created will not be adequate to the needs of the future. You will be creating new ways to do things. But the energy that is among you will clear tremendously from that which you are experiencing at this time. Those entities among you at this time that are attempting to graduate service to self will have moved on. Those entities who remain upon the planet shall be those positively-oriented entities whose concerns involve restitution to this planet.
There is another group of entities who shall be upon your planet for some time into the future if they so choose. These are entities who are not able to graduate into fourth density, or higher densities if they were wanderers, but who yet feel that karmic pull and wish to make restitution. Those include many who are alive at this time, and you will find that many entities will be attempting more and more to refocus upon the needs of the planet and its resources. They will be wishing to clean its water, its air, and its soil.
These entities are hoping not to graduate but rather to go to a kind of summer school, if you will, where they can free themselves of the habit of carelessness. For it is a careless thing to misuse the environment. It is also a careless thing to misuse people, relationships, societal entities and groups.
So this is a time of great excitement and hope upon your planet. Many are attempting to graduate. And many who do not feel that they can graduate at this time are attempting to make restitution so that they are free of the karma of having destroyed or hurt the planetary beings upon which they lived in the past.
This is how we see your present moment, not as one in which there will be a sudden change but one in which the changes are continuous and metaphysical in nature rather than physical.
A favourite...
Quote:If you are ready (for 4D), then this is the opportunity to seize the day, to take hold of the direction and path of your spiritual evolution and to invest your walk into the light with every fiber of your being, every hope and every joy and enthusiasm. Give thanks, my friends, for these are wonderful days for those who wish to make that choice and to walk that path towards the light.
So it looks like there are different options, completely dependent on the person.
1) Move to 4D+ from a natural death, and this is happening now
2) Remain on the planet in 3D for karmic reasons - a difficult time which will last only for a short period - one generation perhaps?
3) Move to 3D experience on another planet (likely for vast majority)
4) Move to 4D-
5) 'Ascend' to 4D+ without a physical death
My personal take on 3D to 4D is this...
Earth is ready for 4D+, the energy is there, and there are souls waiting to live the experience there, contained within the energy. It is not yet 'active', as such, as souls are reviewing their incarnation(s) and being prepared for 4D through teaching.
3D Earth is on it's last legs. There is not much energy available for it, and Gaia is removing all of the lifetimes of negative energy which has been built up through the unified human consciousness field. This removal of energy is what is causes the natural disasters, and more so, the last failing actions of STS by the powers that be. It's all being 'sweat' out, cleaned.
Many will lose their physical bodies in this time. Their paths are easy to determine: move to another 3D, 4D+ ('waiting room') or the equivalent 4D- option.
There is another option, however, as Q'uo states. Some may choose to live in 3D on Earth for karmic reasons. I would imagine - and this is my own view - that they will live in the aftermath of the 2012 incidents (whatever they may be), and hence it will be a difficult time, with no luxuries, or packaged foods. They will learn a strong (HUGE) lesson/catalyst. This will only last for one generation, as there is no more energy to sustain 3D at this time. Reproduction will be possible, but no consciousness will be given to the new born. 3D on Earth is no longer an option for incarnation. That time will come again, however Gaia needs 100-700 years (there is a quote somewhere on this) to regenerate to again support 3D. A fresh, clean start.
So, what about us? We're still alive and breathing in 3D, which would indicate (quite strongly!) that we still have a role to play. That role is to help lift the consciousness of the planet during this time, to act as beacons of peace and harmony, so help any many as possible (by their own free will, not forcing it on people) in the last sprint to the 4D+ harvest.
Will we die? Quite possibly. Do we have to die? Possibly not. here is another channelled source - The Hosts of Heaven - who speak of 4D+ as Terra. They mention, specifically, the transition of 3D to 4D, and mention that some of us will not die physically, but will be - by our own power/choice/vibration 'taken' on ships (consciousness).
Quote:Fourth, on the timeline that leads to Terra, the present Earth will “pass away” and will no longer support life of any kind. It will be barren and totally inhospitable to all forms of life for a very long time, but that is by Divine design and all things will go to their “right place,” according to that design. Terra already exists, pristine and untouched except by love. On Terra only love, peace, and joy will exist. That is why you must have love in your heart and not fear, because only that which is of love, peace, and joy will be permitted to enter Terra. There will be a time of transition on our ships, as none of you will be completely finished with your own transformation when the time of lifting arrives, but you must have cleared out enough fear and the fear-based responses (such as anger, judgement, and greed) to be able to be lifted into the ships when that time comes.
Fifth—and this is the hardest part of all for many of you who feel the pull and yearning for the peace, joy, and love that Terra embodies and represents—there is nothing to “fix” about present day Earth. There is nothing to “create” on present day Earth, except to create the peace, joy, and love within yourselves and within your lives to the degree that you can. There is not going to be an organization to join or create that will take you there. There will not be phenomena such as etheric or physical ships or cities until the time comes for the lifting, and then only those who have qualified by their frequency will even perceive them. Anyone reporting those things or predicting those things belong to another path. It is valid for them and it is valid for those who are drawn to those things, but they are not part of the journey to Terra.
They speak of many strong parallels with Ra/Q'uo, the main difference being the focus on the actual 2012 experience. Use your own discretion of course, take only whatever resonates with you. You can download the transcripts here. "Ascension is a Process" is recommended reading, as it offers useful information that aligns with Ra/Q'uo. For the record, Ra/Q'uo and Abraham are my most trusted non-physical teachings. I compare all other resources with that of these.
Always remember, anyone stating what they think will happen is just that. An opinion. Formulate your own opinions,from your own feelings and research. Do not become attached to the outcome either, as that can cause suffering if it doesn't pan out as you hoped. Live for the moment, and live in the now. Trust in the process.
L&L