02-22-2009, 01:34 PM
(01-09-2009, 09:47 PM)Chaotikmind Wrote: Whatever the path intelligence is a prerequisite,i was quite obsessed by control before , and realized it was more interresting to turn that into something more constructive for the mind, like understanding the inner self, control is a efficient way to learn , and the best thing about it is it ultimately learn you to control/stop control (on ourselves i mean) which by the way is a prerequisite to any good meditation/magical activity.
My point here is i clearly think most people that exert control to others, do it in a meaningless/useless way.
I think that's an interesting insight. The thing with control is that it implies an identity. In other words, what you think you are determines what you think is doing the "controlling" and what is being "controlled". This, I believe, is why the STO path de-emphasizes the utility of controlling others: in a unified creation, there is nothing else to be controlled, since all is self. But if you embrace separation, then you see the assertion of your particular, limited identity over otherselves and the rest of Creation as a meaningful concept.
The drama of self and otherself is a crucial element in the Creator's experience of self in this octave. From what Ra has said about the Logos, it is clear to me that the STS configuration offers the Creator a profoundly deep well of self-understanding that was heretofore impossible. In any creation of discrete, separate identities, something will be controlled and something will be doing the controlling (the Creation is hierarchical). Don't we control our pets and our children? Don't we submit to control by our rulers? Doesn't our brain control our other organs?
The key is not to "be good" and not control people - and believe me, as an anarchist, I struggle with this all the time - but rather to learn and ground within ourselves the lessons of that experience. We're going to do what we're going to do, but we can at least be mindful of it. In the mindfulness, we significate catalyst and better understand ourselves and our bias so that we can make the Choice.
It is difficult to remember sometimes, but one concept that helps ground me is that this incarnate experience is not an end in itself. Our lives in third density are means to a greater end. The payoff for what we do here will be largely realized outside the context of our incarnation. In other words, to understand that mistakes and triumphs have equal utility to our higher self is to understand that we really are here to experience all, with judgement being just another experience.
Quote:I suspect that some entities who consciously think they are on an STO path might actually be on an STS path, and vice versa. So, to an observer, it can be difficult or impossible to tell, and even to the person as wellVery interresting thought, i can guess it was a kind of "pointer" sent to me, but i'm clearly self dedicated , i have really no doubt about that. [/quote]
We must always remember that the Choice happens on a deeper level than our day-to-day, conscious identities. As I said before, I wonder whether expressly identifying as STS or STO is useful. What would it mean to "be" STO or STS in the context of the human experience, given that the lessons of these experiences have utility beyond our incarnation?
The only conclusion I can come to is that STO and STS have meaning only in particular contexts. It might be more helpful to think of *actions* (including thoughts) as STO / STS rather than entire entities - and by "more helpful", I mean "better distilled into to roots of mind" so that the lessons are grounded and can provide benefit to the higher self. Everything else is largely a means to that end, no?
Quote: I think it is important to acknowledge that the LOO itself, as well as the subsequent channelings of the Q'uo material, and really anything coming out of L/L Research, is indeed biased to STO
Yes, absolutely. But in my view (brace yourselves) reality is biased towards STO in a fundamental manner, because STO recognizes the truth of unity whereas STS embraces the fecund but ultimately fictitious idea that we can be separate. Free will does not mean you get to change the reality of unity - it only means you choose when to recognize it (to paraphrase a Course in Miracles).
The negative path chooses to ignore unity as long as possible - this is its distinguishing philosophical feature - but ultimately it arrives at a unity where control and separation become useless in further evolution. The reason why STO is an easier path is that it doesn't try to fight reality. The reason why STS is harder is that it is constantly fighting against reality
Quote:The saddest part to me are the majority of souls that will be sent back to 3D school when this life is done.
I understand why this seems sad. But it's very important to understand that the harvest will provide each and every single entity the opportunity to choose for themselves which move is the best: forward or backward. Remember: staying in 3rd density is not really sad if it's what an entity needs / chooses.
After all, what is being lost? The Creator has infinite time. Our dramas through our evolution are not ends in themselves. Nothing is lost.
Again, I would be *very, very* careful in pigeonholing oneself into a polarized identity. In doing so, you pile constructs (if not judgments) on yourself that can only color your exploration of yourself. Why not just look at yourself without the lens of STO/STS? Instead of understanding where you are in the game, why not understand yourself on your own terms?
We are all dark. We are all light. Why not get on with understanding *what that means*, instead of putting ourselves into boxes? My only interest here is that we understand the distortions in which we engage, knowing that there will be distortion.[/i]