10-18-2013, 03:53 AM
Thats exactly what I am saying you are lacking. You need "batteries" and "protectors" that you need to be in an extremely high level of harmony with. There is no possible way you have achieved that with anyone besides Vervex that can aid you in person for a trance-channeling.
I will admit the questioner and the instrument are the core of the operation, but I think the "scribe" as Ra referred to Jim as equally critical to that particular level of contact.
You already have two of the prerequisite three for this type of contact. Why follow not in the footsteps of L/L Research and try non-trance channeling first for at least a few months until you can find a 3rd person you can harmonize with?
Also, I just can't ignore this since it is something we had in common. For about a year after I awoke, I wanted to be questioner of Ra so I could clarify things but ultimately it was about proving my own faith. I would like to re-emphasize: I wanted PROOF for faith. It wasn't until after I got over the need for that proof that I finally realized that is what I was looking for. I now know that proof will never come while I am here in 3rd density. There is a chance for confirmation but that is only after someone has complete and utter knowing in something, making proof completely unnecessary.
If it's true what you said that you don't in any way need proof, then that's fine. But at the time, I wasn't being completely honest with myself and thought "proof would be nice, but is not really necessary." You stated something so nearly identical as what I thought at the time, I can't help but wonder. You're words are nearly verbatim my own thoughts at the time:
I am not calling you a liar by any means, I could be completely wrong about this / projecting my 'past self' on you. And quite frankly, I can't know your innermost feelings about this. But if the motivation is at all there for proof when making contact, Ra spoke pretty clearly about proof:
I will admit the questioner and the instrument are the core of the operation, but I think the "scribe" as Ra referred to Jim as equally critical to that particular level of contact.
You already have two of the prerequisite three for this type of contact. Why follow not in the footsteps of L/L Research and try non-trance channeling first for at least a few months until you can find a 3rd person you can harmonize with?
Also, I just can't ignore this since it is something we had in common. For about a year after I awoke, I wanted to be questioner of Ra so I could clarify things but ultimately it was about proving my own faith. I would like to re-emphasize: I wanted PROOF for faith. It wasn't until after I got over the need for that proof that I finally realized that is what I was looking for. I now know that proof will never come while I am here in 3rd density. There is a chance for confirmation but that is only after someone has complete and utter knowing in something, making proof completely unnecessary.
If it's true what you said that you don't in any way need proof, then that's fine. But at the time, I wasn't being completely honest with myself and thought "proof would be nice, but is not really necessary." You stated something so nearly identical as what I thought at the time, I can't help but wonder. You're words are nearly verbatim my own thoughts at the time:
(10-15-2013, 05:14 PM)Adonai One Wrote: Faith is not a huge factor here beyond it enabling the contact. My main motive is the desire for more wisdom.
I believe and disbelieve. I have gotten over most of my hunger for proof although it would be nice.
In other words, Tanner, I am not attached to the idea of contact proving things for me. Although it would be nice.
I am not calling you a liar by any means, I could be completely wrong about this / projecting my 'past self' on you. And quite frankly, I can't know your innermost feelings about this. But if the motivation is at all there for proof when making contact, Ra spoke pretty clearly about proof:
Ra 12.15 Wrote:Questioner: Is it possible for an entity here on Earth to be so confused as to call both the Confederation and the Orion group in [an] alternating way, one, then the other, [inaudible] back to [inaudible]?
Ra: I am Ra. It is entirely possible for the untuned channel, as you call that service, to receive both positive and negative communications. If the entity at the base of its confusion is oriented towards service to others, the entity will begin to receive messages of doom. If the entity at the base of the complex of beingness is oriented towards service to self, the crusaders, who in this case, do not find it necessary to lie, will simply begin to give the philosophy they are here to give. Many of your so-called contacts among your people have been confused and self-destructive because the channels were oriented towards service to others but, in the desire for proof, were open to the lying information of the crusaders who then were able to neutralize the effectiveness of the channel.