08-19-2013, 02:38 AM
(This post was last modified: 08-19-2013, 02:50 AM by Sagittarius.)
(08-19-2013, 01:38 AM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote:(08-18-2013, 10:04 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(08-18-2013, 09:31 PM)Sagittarius Wrote: we already see technology evolving towards maintaining constant connection with each other.Yeah, but is it a real connection or merely a means to share ideas complete with layers of persona which is a false face of self? http://news.discovery.com/human/psycholo...130814.htm
I do not see our current technology doing anything to promote genuine connection which necessarily requires development of personality to a certain level. How do our communication mechanisms reveal our natures to ourselves for acceptance? Sharing info certainly makes us think, but about what and to what end?
Are you supposing that there exists a potential for connection as you are defining it?
If yes, do you suppose that this potential, being an aspect of self, could be expressed through technology, an extension of self? Perhaps the technology highlighted in OP?
If not, then isn't our current technology just as useful as any other extension of self for exploring the self and ultimately connecting? A tool whose potential is not fully recognized because our social mind simply is not at that stage of development yet.
(08-19-2013, 12:11 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Why is the "blue-ray" vibration synonymous with both communication and honesty? Is communication and honesty actually the same thing? And if that is the case, then can you truly have one without the other?
Do you have thoughts on these questions?
It is something I have been contemplating lately.
Take a scenario where a person is very angry. If they shout "I'm angry!" and then punch you in the face, they're honestly communicating how they are feeling. At that moment their identity is anger and the anger was expressed.
Is this indicative of a blue ray activation through honesty?
I have to think that it is not, because someone could be angry and express it honestly without have activated the heart chakra which is prerequisite to potential blue activation. And even if green is active, blue requires honesty to activate. Honesty here cannot mean honesty in the sense of the angry person clearly communicating their anger, because plenty of people do that, yet honesty is something which is supposedly difficult for us even after green activation.
I think that the linkage of blue ray, honesty, and communication lays in the fact that blue ray is that realization of the true nature of the self being communicated. Ra says the blue ray is free communication with the self and with other-self. If there is no honest communication of the self (inward realization) then there can be no honest communication to other-self (outward realization) This outer realization only being possible when looking inward, the communication of anger is a completely outward expression, lacking the honest communication of inner perception.
The nature of blue ray is also outgoing as well as inpouring. I assume that the inpouring and outgoing must be balanced, and the honest expression of anger ignores incoming communication. Inpouring seems to require willingness and ability to integrate other's expressions of self within our own self.
Essentially, I think "honest communication" in the blue ray sense is that communication of the true nature of self we have found as we gaze inward wielding acceptance.
Yeh I would say a self who would express there honest communication of anger with violence is accessing say the red ray sub plane of blue possibly. The key term Ra uses I think is the emphasis on free communication. Someone who is blue ray activated can give and receive information through communication without any of the unbalanced lenses through the lower chakra's. I.e there is no price with the information no fractured intention.
So no I don't think communication and honesty are the same thing. For example the above person can communicate but there is no honesty with true self in the communication thus it is distorted in that incomplete red ray/blue ray.
(08-19-2013, 12:11 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Well part of that personality development entails making real choices and confrontation of catalyst. Regardless of the perceived ability to "connect", we are often seeking distraction from such uncomfortable confrontation. And so distortions become compartmentalized, or buried and confused through inauthentic popular convention and with what we are led to believe we think we want, rather than what is essential to health and a deeper experience.
Typically that which leads to health must, consciously, be either explicated or revealed through its feeling of harmony as these are the two "rational" modes of creating and evaluating all experience. And that integrative work necessarily entails addressing conflict - which is deemed unpleasant and not a responsibility to oneself and to others, rather than being seen as a problem-solving challenge. And so while there is an unconscious desire for health and a dissatisfaction due to lack of fulfillment, as yet there is no social convention which even indirectly supports the very self development which would remedy that condition.
Why is the "blue-ray" vibration synonymous with both communication and honesty? Is communication and honesty actually the same thing? And if that is the case, then can you truly have one without the other?
It's very difficult for non-wanderers I'am guessing to access ray's high enough to intuitively and rationally make there way through the highly distorted social system.
I have just been reading some of Ken Wilber's Integral System. His suggestion of the male and female right of passage being only half complete is something that needs to be addressed. A more refined and applied version is needed that is accepted and can be proven to be integral. So it can be taught in school and the whole self is revealed earlier, rather then every male and female having to deal with the surprise when the gender roles you had believed and told to be absolute or the norm just completely flip.