(07-01-2013, 09:05 AM)ScottK Wrote: My perspective is that facts are always fine. There are many many dark facts in the world but they are all neutral.
Things written using negative facts turned into statements which create needless fear in order to control indicate that red flags should go up in your mind. At the minimum, I might read something like that carefully with a lot of filters to keep the bad stuff from being committed to memory in my brain. It gets difficult when facts are spun to create more negativity and consequently, more fear - at that point, you can't be sure of the facts anymore and perhaps it's best just to throw it away..
If I see anything with fear in spiritual works, I just dismiss it immediately. That's a different class of text as far as I'm concerned.
That said, everyone will do it differently. IMO, discernment should never be done by vote or popularity contest. Everyone is completely unique and what makes sense and inspires me may make you cringe, and vice versa. I would perhaps think of what Quo always says as a preamble to every channeling prior to reading something like this. We often read something by an "authority" and want to believe that it's true because they are an authority. That just doesn't work. No one is a true authority over anyone else.
Thank you Scott, I am in agreement.
It has taken me much soul searching, but now I am prepared to state I believe Doris Ekker was in communication the true Hatonn.
It has taken me a total of 2 years to come to this conclusion.
I have had to discern at every corner, and always clear the fog - much fog gathered around Doris.
Everything from spiritual ,scientific , legal (legal indeed!), moral, factual...and teachings in discernment.
You have to dig right down beneath the BS, the Shills and the lies - and right there is the truth, Dharma's Hatonn did NOT stray from The Law of One.
The lies embedded over the truth almost made this task of discernment impossible - there were fakes and detractors around every corner - but something made want to fight to the end to find out, and today I'm glad I have.
Facts, Scott - Your statement sealed the deal for me. There is nothing wrong in stating facts - facts are facts, facts are neutral.
WHAT WE DO WITH THE FACTS IS WHAT WILL DETERMINE OUR OUTCOME.
See that? Just as Hatonn would say aha..He has taught me well - there's no way some charlatan, fraud or crazed CIA op's could inspire and teach me so.
Hatonn banged on SO much about truth and facts, and not deviating from such - the repetitiveness bored me, but he persisted...and I did need it drummed into my head after all.
Hatonn is supposedly 4th Density (consistent through out Urantia, LOO, and PJ) - The Density of love - and Hatonn has much love for us, as he always states, although he himself admits he is not always wise - none of Gods creatures are yet perfect.
Quote from Carla's Interview on RMN:
Quote:There was enough of a contest in the group in Detroit that a part of the group took off for the West in fear – like you just aren’t up with what’s happening now, and so they were asking nothing but fear-based questions. So Hatton becomes Lord and Master Hatton or something like that, and you get a very militaristic, glorified [channel]. Everybody’s got a title. Everybody’s got a echelon and there’s the elite. So here we go to negative. And of course the negative can sound a lot like the positive until they say, “Be afraid, be very afraid.”http://www.llresearch.org/interviews/int..._0527.aspx
The above quote is in regards to the Detroit group that supposedly Channeled Hatonn, Carla highlight's the consequences of fear.
However Doris' Hatonn - would always end on the note of 'God to has a plan'. Hatonn would provide us information on the events that were leading the HU-man race away from God, but told them that is exactly why the hosts of God are here - to give us the tools needed to see God's plan come to fruition, over that of the 'adversary'.
Carla's quote continued:
Quote:There are a lot of things Ra talked about [concerning] what’s going to happen in the future and they said it’s a case of possibility/probability vortices. Until something happens, it hasn’t happened and it’s not real. But you can see the vortex forming towards something happening, and they can see the energies that are likely for something to happen. So the likely strongest possibility/probability vortex is the one that will probably happen. But they don’t say something will happen before it actually occurs. They never accepted questions about what was going to happen in the future and would say, “We don’t know, because it’s not happened yet, and you can change what happens by the way you think.”http://www.llresearch.org/interviews/int..._0527.aspx
Dharma's material was most widely criticised for discussing things such as Nuclear war.
Why is has been criticised I have no idea.
Nuclear war was looming over our heads in the early 80's - in fact it was almost immanent.
Look at today 30 years on - If the middle east continues at this pace, nuclear war could quite easily be back round the corner.
Next - taken to court for selling herbal medicines, and copyright infringement. Their defence? You can't copyright the truth!... Frankly I agree. (even if it's not wise to agree
)Anyway- I could go on for ages talking about this - thanks for helping me along the way.
ETA: In regards to the Detroit group, I found the Richard T Millers audio tapes about six months ago - to my surprise within ONE WEEK of me frequenting 3 different sites - the links were ALL pulled!
I've only found one version of his books to be bought for up to $500 each - beyond my means unfortunately.
If anyone is to find another resource for this material, I would really appreciate being notified
In a related search - I just saw a derogatory comment in regards to Hatonn being called 'Commander' .... within Dharma's material he addresses this issue by explaining it is merely a metaphor we can use to understand his universal position.
He has an answer for everything. It fascinates me aha.