Perhaps we can enter more into the mystery, while I'm diving deeper into the Archetypical nature of our Logos and polarity, and this octave creation in general, I will try to connect the concept of understanding perhaps in another way here.
On third density and understanding in general..
Q'uo
Here we have the fundamental roots of the Archetypical mind, the harvest of the preceding Octave of creation. The matrix and potentiators exist for mind body and spirit. Each one has it's unique matrix and potentiators. For example mind has Consciousness as matrix, unconsciousness as the potential of it to evolve or find out, or potentiator. Body matrix is always active and the even form and functioning perfectly without thought or will, the potentiator of body is wisdom because wisdom would perceive the body and manipulate it in order to explore it or use it's functions for it's purpose. The matrix of spirit is a landscape which is unknown and pitch black, the potentiator is the dim light which can illuminate tiny amounts of the landscape. All of these are intertwined and I am still trying to grasp it. All of these are unmoved as well and require the significator or the mind/body/spirit complex itself to move them (My viewing of it so far).
Onwards through the following densities and understanding which still remains elusive.
Q'uo
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And finally what understanding is there when the octave itself is a series of illusion which are a shadow of infinity. Also the some of the earlier Logoi or Logoi at center of galaxies did not fully experience free will and there was no polarity of the service to others or self. Polarity being found after Logoi had experimented with the free-will distortion of how to best offer the fullest experience to the Infinite One in knowing itself.
Q'uo
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The origins of polarity. When Logoi finally conceived of a more complex and further down grasp of the first distortion or free will, They used it to experiment with ways of more efficient and deeper understandings to be had by the Infinite One of it's own nature.
On third density and understanding in general..
Q'uo
Quote:The kingdom of the spirit is a dark one. And we say this not because darkness is evil, for darkness is not evil. We say this because it is the nature of spirit within third density to be largely impossible to see.
Quote:Each of you will spend the incarnational time that you have in this estate of peering into darkness using seemingly the dimmest of lights, occasionally receiving that lightning, that bolt of epiphany that speaks, that is as the star that guides, that brings that moment of clarity and spiritual truth that is so blessed.
Quote:The metaphysical work both of the service-to-others path and the service-to-self path is that which takes place upon a field which appears to be dark. The background of metaphysical work for both polarities is a metaphysical environment of darkness, for the metaphysical consciousness of the living spirit within the third-density illusion is hidden within the deep and unlit roots of mind. Consequently, both those who seek the darkness and those who seek the light begin in a common ground of darkness, the darkness of that which is not known. Upon this level of seeking for energy or power the search for truth is conducted in night conditions. The moon’s dimmest light is the brightest illumination as one seeks spiritually. It is extremely subtle and difficult work to distinguish truth from illusion or outright falsity, to distinguish the positive leaning towards the love of the Infinite One in service to others from the same activity which may seek service to self. Many metaphysical seekers expect that the seeking towards the positive truth will be done in noonday sun, metaphysically speaking. This is untrue. The metaphysical search is not clear, obvious, or simple.
Here we have the fundamental roots of the Archetypical mind, the harvest of the preceding Octave of creation. The matrix and potentiators exist for mind body and spirit. Each one has it's unique matrix and potentiators. For example mind has Consciousness as matrix, unconsciousness as the potential of it to evolve or find out, or potentiator. Body matrix is always active and the even form and functioning perfectly without thought or will, the potentiator of body is wisdom because wisdom would perceive the body and manipulate it in order to explore it or use it's functions for it's purpose. The matrix of spirit is a landscape which is unknown and pitch black, the potentiator is the dim light which can illuminate tiny amounts of the landscape. All of these are intertwined and I am still trying to grasp it. All of these are unmoved as well and require the significator or the mind/body/spirit complex itself to move them (My viewing of it so far).
Quote:Ra: I am Ra. In the mind complex the matrix may be described as consciousness. It has been called the Magician. It is to be noted that of itself consciousness is unmoved. The potentiator of consciousness is the unconscious. This encompasses a vast realm of potential in the mind.Q'uo
In the body the matrix may be seen as Balanced Working or Even Functioning. Note that here the matrix is always active with no means of being inactive. The potentiator of the body complex, then, may be called Wisdom for it is only through judgment that the unceasing activities and proclivities of the body complex may be experienced in useful modes.
The Matrix of the Spirit is what you may call the Night of the Soul or Primeval Darkness. Again we have that which is not capable of movement or work. The potential power of this extremely receptive matrix is such that the potentiator may be seen as Lightning. In your archetypical system called the tarot this has been refined into the concept complex of the Lightning Struck Tower. However, the original potentiator was light in its sudden and fiery form; that is, the lightning itself.
Quote:There is a constant organic and mutual back and forth of information between the Matrix who reaches and the Potentiator who awaits the reaching. And all that is hidden within the Potentiator changes every time the Potentiator releases fruit from behind that veil. That is the hidden nature of things unknown. One person on one day shall receive fruit from spirit. That same person on another day with just the tiniest change in seeking, in attitude, in state of mind, shall receive an entirely different fruit. So we cannot offer the comfortable assurance that all is in safe hands, that all is prepared, that all will go one way. The archetypal journey is far more creative and far more plastic.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Onwards through the following densities and understanding which still remains elusive.
Q'uo
Quote:The darkness of the spirit is like unto the darkness, the apparent darkness, of the starry heavens. As you gaze from the side of your planet out into your outer space, that thick velvet of infinite space is as are you in your spiritual aspect: an undiscovered country of hills and valleys unknown. And every place is sacred. And every place is full of information. And every place looks to be that which it is not. There is thick darkness and great depth of unknowingness to the spirit within third density. The veil of forgetting is very deep. And the life-giving light, when it falls, yet does it not always disclose truth. And so there is a great peering into what light there is to see beyond the falsity of the complex and intricate patterns of spirit. Even when the veil of forgetting is lifted, even when you ascend into densities which are full of light, yet still that spirit is stubbornly unknown, and layers of misinformation and false patterning will fall away as the densities roll, and we find this still to be true with our selves. We find we still peel away another layer and another layer of that deception of spirit which is part and parcel of the situation which we all enjoy as part of the Creator. It is not that the Creator intends to deceive. It is not that the light means to be false. It is that there is so much of untold riches to the infinite Creator that It is not all articulated. There is much still for the Creator to know about Itself. And yet that seeking is a slow, slow process. For all that the Creator finds out about Itself, It finds out from you, each of you, each of us, each of all of those entities that live and move and have their being within the creation of the Father. We find great beauty in this pattern. We do not understand it completely. As each of you works with your own spiritual journey we ask simply that you not fear the light-bringer who brings seeming destruction. For there must be that taken down as a preparation for that which is builded anew. There needs to be the removal of false concepts before the building of a fresh and vital concept.
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And finally what understanding is there when the octave itself is a series of illusion which are a shadow of infinity. Also the some of the earlier Logoi or Logoi at center of galaxies did not fully experience free will and there was no polarity of the service to others or self. Polarity being found after Logoi had experimented with the free-will distortion of how to best offer the fullest experience to the Infinite One in knowing itself.
Q'uo
Quote:When the infinite Creator wished to know Itself, Its great heart beat out the next creation with all of its densities and sub-densities and all of the patterns of those densities and creations. Time and space were invoked and that which before was immeasurable and unknowable became a series of illusions that, paradoxically, were to some degree knowable, and these shadows of knowing were much desired by the Creator. And each of these sparks and shadows became agents of the one infinite Creator, thoughts in and of themselves, thoughts rounded and centered in the one great original Thought which is Love. And so each of you is a Logos, stepped down and stepped down until you are able to experience the very illusion you now experience. And each of you has come through many experiences and many densities to this particular time, at this particular place, each balanced exquisitely in the present moment.
And as each rests in this present moment, what is the nature of each? Each is Logos and yet not Logos, not fully realized. Each is human, earthly and limited, and yet not fully human, not fully earthly, and not fully limited, for there is the growing awareness of the creatorship within. And so each is as an entity with one foot in each world, the world of the Earth and the world of infinity; the world of things and the world of thoughts.
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The origins of polarity. When Logoi finally conceived of a more complex and further down grasp of the first distortion or free will, They used it to experiment with ways of more efficient and deeper understandings to be had by the Infinite One of it's own nature.
Quote:Questioner: Then we have, at the beginning of this galactic evolution, an archetypical mind that is the product of the previous octave which this galaxy then used as and acts upon under the first distortion so as to allow for what we experience as polarity. Was there any concept of polarity carried through from the previous octave in the sense of service-to-others or service-to-self polarity?
Ra: I am Ra. There was polarity in the sense of the mover and the moved. There was no polarity in the sense of service-to-self and service-to-others.
Quote:Questioner: Do the Logoi that choose this type of evolution choose both the service-to-self and the service-to-others path for different Logoi, or do they choose just one of the paths?
Ra: I am Ra. Those, what you would call, early Logoi which chose lack of free will foundations, to all extents with no exceptions, founded Logoi of the service-to-others path. The, shall we say, saga of polarity, its consequences and limits, were unimagined until experienced.
Quote:I am guessing that in our Milky Way Galaxy (the major galaxy with billions of stars) that the progress of evolution was from the center outward toward the rim and that in the early evolution of this galaxy the first distortion was not extended down past the sub-Logos simply because it was not thought of or conceived of and that this extension of the first distortion, which created polarization, was something that occurred in what we would call a later time as the evolution progressed outward from the center of the galaxy. Am I in any way correct in this statement?
Ra: I am Ra. You are correct.
Quote:Questioner: So the original evolution then was planned by the Logos but the first distortion was not extended to the product. At some point this first distortion was extended and the first service-to-self polarity emerged. Is this correct and if so, could you tell me the history of this process of emergence?
Ra: I am Ra. As proem let me state that the Logoi always conceived of themselves as offering free will to the sub-Logoi in their care. The sub-Logoi had freedom to experience and experiment with consciousness, the experiences of the body, and the illumination of the spirit. That having been said, we shall speak to the point of your query.
The first Logos to instill what you now see as free will, in the full sense, in its sub-Logoi came to this creation due to contemplation in depth of the concepts or possibilities of conceptualizations of what we have called the significators. The Logos posited the possibility of the mind, the body, and the spirit as being complex. In order for the significator to be what it is not, it then must be granted the free will of the Creator. This set in motion a quite lengthy, in your terms, series of Logos’s improving or distilling this seed thought. The key was the significator becoming a complex.
Quote:Ra: I am Ra. As you have noted, [quote]the creation of which your Logos is a part is a protean entity which grows and learns upon a macrocosmic scale. The Logos is not a part of time. All that is learned from experience in an octave is, therefore, the harvest of that Logos and is further the nature of that Logos.
The original Logos’s experience was, viewed in space/time, small; Its experience now, more. Therefore we say, as we now speak to you at this space/time, the nature of creation is as we have described. This does not deny the process by which this nature has been achieved but merely ratifies the product.