05-05-2013, 08:10 PM
zenmaster Wrote:Yes but once you start taking "gender" as social roles, no. It's no longer the archetype but a complex derivative with selective association. i.e. finding yin/yang is like finding faces in cloud formations.
There are only two ways of discovering archetypes: meditation and observation. A keen observer will notice that -- quite incidentally -- there are various gender roles which are persistent in both history and culture. These roles can be reasonably seen as archetypal. That is, there is some portion of the collective mental structure of Planet Earth that these people and cultural works are tapping into. The social roles that this author is using can be seen as conceptual placeholders. The point is that the reader has an idea of which archetype is being described and can then locate it within the world. Yin and Yang are very much visible in the world, but each instance of Yin and Yang is only a sign which points to the original.
zenmaster Wrote:For shadow archetypes, they do have manipulative undertones. But guess what, those are not primary to the archetype - i.e. you can associate passive/aggressive behavior to any of them. It begs the question.
These character types are very persistent in literature and history. There is no reason to think that they are anything less than archetypal. Sure, there is a particular hue that Earth archetypes have -- one which is rather distorted. But that doesn't make these archetypes less relevant. It only makes them less cosmic.
zenmaster Wrote:lol!
If you are capable of making a more balanced literary archetypal map, I think there are many people who would be appreciative.