I don't see #1 and #2 as separate issues. #2 is also catalyst. While true that Wanderers might find this planet incompatible, there is still a lesson in that, for ultimately, all is catalyst.
Humans living in the tropics cannot breathe easily at the summit of a high mountain, but with proper conditioning, they can become acclimated and succeed, if they choose to climb that mountain.
Likewise, some Wanderers may start out with incompatibility, but might choose to work on those issues as catalyst, and acclimate. So even with incompatibility, they still might adapt to it.
Pre-incarnatiive programming isn't necessarily permanent. Sometimes it is - like me being short. I will never be a model (in this life) because I'm just too short, case closed. But catalyst is often chalked up to 'preincarnational programming' as though that means it can't be transformed. Although it may be in some cases, it's not necessarily true in all cases. When the lessons are learned, the programming can change.
It can be very helpful, in understanding our catalyst, to realize that it was pre-incarnative programming, but in my own life I discovered that it can also be used as an excuse to stay stuck, if we continue to hang on to "I cannot do xyz because I was programmed." I did that for awhile and indeed was stuck because of this thinking. I finally realized that all catalysts are programmed but we still have free will, to work with those catalysts as we wish.
Regarding health and dietary catalysts, I can think of 2 examples in my own life that seemed to both be pre-incarnational catalysts, yet the results were quite different (at least so far).
I struggled for 15 years with an elusive health challenge. I tried many things to no avail. I finally traced the root cause of the ailment to 2 things: The distilled water (which depleted my minerals) and a tooth that had an infection hiding behind an old filling.
Over the years, I asked 3 different dentists to check that tooth, but even with x-rays, they all missed it. During the years that I was sick, I dealt with may layers of profound, often intense catalyst that were directly caused by something mundane like an infected tooth. When I finally cleared the karmic issues, I no longer needed that catalyst, so the tooth infection was discovered, and the remainder of the ailments were resolved. (Most had already been resolved by the ionized water, but not totally...there was still the tooth issue after that.)
Had I totally accepted those ailments as 'pre-incarnational programming' that could not be changed, then I'd still be sick now. But I chose to keep searching for answers, and in my search were discovered many gems of learning.
Now that the tooth has been extracted and the chronic, systemic infection cleared, I am able to eat foods that I couldn't before. But guess what? I no longer want those foods!
I know of people whose allergies cleared up when they started drinking the water. But by that time, they no longer desired such allergy-inducing foods like ice cream. The allergy was a catalyst to get them to steer in the direction of a cleaner diet and healthier lifestyle (for a variety of reasons), and once that was accomplished, the original catalyst was no longer necessary.
Now, the other example of such catalyst, for me, is the gluten intolerance. Even though the other issues were resolved, I'm still gluten-intolerant. Clearly, it's a programmed catalyst! I accept it and am grateful for it, because I know that it actually helps me to stay focused on my chosen lifestyle path. I am quite certain that, someday, when I am more evolved, even GMO wheat won't bother me. But, if I am more evolved, why would I want to eat GMO wheat?
So it's really a non-issue. But never do I think of any of these catalysts as permanent (except my height!).
Many diseases are thought to be genetic and thus incurable. Yet, people have overcome those catalysts also. There is much evidence to suggest that some 3D bodies are mutating, and even the DNA is changing.
I don't think we necessarily have to wait until the end of this incarnation to clear pre-incarnational programming. Since, as Edgar Cayce said, "life is continuous" I think we can change many of the pre-incarnational programmings, once we're done with them.
Same here! We finally got a vegan restaurant, and I can't fully enjoy it, because they use a lot of corn.
The only kind of corn I can tolerate is organic blue corn.
This leads me to believe that it's not actually the gluten that is the culprit (since corn has no gluten). Rather, it's the pesticides, which have been used for so long that they've become systemic. And, making matters worse, those same pesticides are now being bred into the plant itself in GMO crops! It's insidious!
People with allergies to the pesticides are the canaries in the coal mine.
Is that something that could be changed? Most people now know about gluten intolerance and food allergies. If you say "I am on a restricted diet" most people will respect it. (They often don't respect choice in diet, but will respect it if it's described as a medical thing. Ie. many people don't respect "I am a vegetarian" but will respect "I am allergic.")
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Humans living in the tropics cannot breathe easily at the summit of a high mountain, but with proper conditioning, they can become acclimated and succeed, if they choose to climb that mountain.
Likewise, some Wanderers may start out with incompatibility, but might choose to work on those issues as catalyst, and acclimate. So even with incompatibility, they still might adapt to it.
(04-14-2013, 05:39 AM)Ankh Wrote: If this move of your conscious mind does not intervenes with your pre-incarnative lessons and programming
Pre-incarnatiive programming isn't necessarily permanent. Sometimes it is - like me being short. I will never be a model (in this life) because I'm just too short, case closed. But catalyst is often chalked up to 'preincarnational programming' as though that means it can't be transformed. Although it may be in some cases, it's not necessarily true in all cases. When the lessons are learned, the programming can change.
It can be very helpful, in understanding our catalyst, to realize that it was pre-incarnative programming, but in my own life I discovered that it can also be used as an excuse to stay stuck, if we continue to hang on to "I cannot do xyz because I was programmed." I did that for awhile and indeed was stuck because of this thinking. I finally realized that all catalysts are programmed but we still have free will, to work with those catalysts as we wish.
Regarding health and dietary catalysts, I can think of 2 examples in my own life that seemed to both be pre-incarnational catalysts, yet the results were quite different (at least so far).
I struggled for 15 years with an elusive health challenge. I tried many things to no avail. I finally traced the root cause of the ailment to 2 things: The distilled water (which depleted my minerals) and a tooth that had an infection hiding behind an old filling.
Over the years, I asked 3 different dentists to check that tooth, but even with x-rays, they all missed it. During the years that I was sick, I dealt with may layers of profound, often intense catalyst that were directly caused by something mundane like an infected tooth. When I finally cleared the karmic issues, I no longer needed that catalyst, so the tooth infection was discovered, and the remainder of the ailments were resolved. (Most had already been resolved by the ionized water, but not totally...there was still the tooth issue after that.)
Had I totally accepted those ailments as 'pre-incarnational programming' that could not be changed, then I'd still be sick now. But I chose to keep searching for answers, and in my search were discovered many gems of learning.
Now that the tooth has been extracted and the chronic, systemic infection cleared, I am able to eat foods that I couldn't before. But guess what? I no longer want those foods!
I know of people whose allergies cleared up when they started drinking the water. But by that time, they no longer desired such allergy-inducing foods like ice cream. The allergy was a catalyst to get them to steer in the direction of a cleaner diet and healthier lifestyle (for a variety of reasons), and once that was accomplished, the original catalyst was no longer necessary.
Now, the other example of such catalyst, for me, is the gluten intolerance. Even though the other issues were resolved, I'm still gluten-intolerant. Clearly, it's a programmed catalyst! I accept it and am grateful for it, because I know that it actually helps me to stay focused on my chosen lifestyle path. I am quite certain that, someday, when I am more evolved, even GMO wheat won't bother me. But, if I am more evolved, why would I want to eat GMO wheat?
So it's really a non-issue. But never do I think of any of these catalysts as permanent (except my height!).
Many diseases are thought to be genetic and thus incurable. Yet, people have overcome those catalysts also. There is much evidence to suggest that some 3D bodies are mutating, and even the DNA is changing.
I don't think we necessarily have to wait until the end of this incarnation to clear pre-incarnational programming. Since, as Edgar Cayce said, "life is continuous" I think we can change many of the pre-incarnational programmings, once we're done with them.
(04-14-2013, 11:25 AM)kainous Wrote: And Monica, I'm finding corn to be just as problematic as wheat, but I've read other gluten intolerant people say the same.
Same here! We finally got a vegan restaurant, and I can't fully enjoy it, because they use a lot of corn.
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This leads me to believe that it's not actually the gluten that is the culprit (since corn has no gluten). Rather, it's the pesticides, which have been used for so long that they've become systemic. And, making matters worse, those same pesticides are now being bred into the plant itself in GMO crops! It's insidious!
People with allergies to the pesticides are the canaries in the coal mine.
(04-14-2013, 11:25 AM)kainous Wrote: One issue I have is that I rarely get to pick a restaurant or my food, because it's usually decided for me.
Is that something that could be changed? Most people now know about gluten intolerance and food allergies. If you say "I am on a restricted diet" most people will respect it. (They often don't respect choice in diet, but will respect it if it's described as a medical thing. Ie. many people don't respect "I am a vegetarian" but will respect "I am allergic.")
(04-14-2013, 11:25 AM)kainous Wrote: Although, I may rarely eat if left to my own devices anyway....
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