02-08-2009, 07:31 AM
I really enjoyed those last few posts, Quantum. I think you raise excellent points and are well worth thinking more about, regardless of where you stand on the 2012 question.
I think Airwaves makes a great point too- that the fact that we have two large groups of seekers who believe things are going to be vastly different in 2012 is just for our benefit as seekers. Our freewill is preserved. I can't tell you how helpful it's been to come to my own conclusions about this debate. On the intellectual as well as spiritual level. I walk with a lot more confidence these days than before I woke up.
For myself, the instant shift idea never resonated well. But if I were to look further, a lot of people forget that the Q'uo is actually a group of three entities or social memory complexes together. They are Hatton, Latwii, and... Ra. Yes indeed. Now, the conscious vs. unconscious debate doesn't hold up for me on the issue of the harvest. Lets assume that the ratio of instrument-manipulation vs. undistorted information is 30% / 70% as previously stated. Even with 30% being altered, the message has time and time again been that the harvest is not an instant shift situation. Carla and Q'uo have been channeling for decades now. I would expect that if it were not gradual, it would have come through. But even if we disregard those percentages, when listening to the audio recordings of Q'uo sessions you will occasionally hear Carla say "We correct this instrument..." and she goes back to rephrase or clarify something that she messed up. If Carla were really interpreting the message wrong over these last few decades, I can't imagine that Q'uo would just sit around and let such an important note go uncorrected. They have an extreme polarization towards service towards others. If they let their message get so screwed up they would lose polarity quite quickly, and I suspect they wouldn't have allowed the communications to continue for very long at all.
But again, my argument still can't prove anything to anyone! It's just my interpretation of what I know. And there's always a way to dismantle anyone's supporting arguments. That's the beauty of our current situation, we have to think for ourselves, listen to our souls, and ultimately decide what we believe in faith.
I think Airwaves makes a great point too- that the fact that we have two large groups of seekers who believe things are going to be vastly different in 2012 is just for our benefit as seekers. Our freewill is preserved. I can't tell you how helpful it's been to come to my own conclusions about this debate. On the intellectual as well as spiritual level. I walk with a lot more confidence these days than before I woke up.
For myself, the instant shift idea never resonated well. But if I were to look further, a lot of people forget that the Q'uo is actually a group of three entities or social memory complexes together. They are Hatton, Latwii, and... Ra. Yes indeed. Now, the conscious vs. unconscious debate doesn't hold up for me on the issue of the harvest. Lets assume that the ratio of instrument-manipulation vs. undistorted information is 30% / 70% as previously stated. Even with 30% being altered, the message has time and time again been that the harvest is not an instant shift situation. Carla and Q'uo have been channeling for decades now. I would expect that if it were not gradual, it would have come through. But even if we disregard those percentages, when listening to the audio recordings of Q'uo sessions you will occasionally hear Carla say "We correct this instrument..." and she goes back to rephrase or clarify something that she messed up. If Carla were really interpreting the message wrong over these last few decades, I can't imagine that Q'uo would just sit around and let such an important note go uncorrected. They have an extreme polarization towards service towards others. If they let their message get so screwed up they would lose polarity quite quickly, and I suspect they wouldn't have allowed the communications to continue for very long at all.
But again, my argument still can't prove anything to anyone! It's just my interpretation of what I know. And there's always a way to dismantle anyone's supporting arguments. That's the beauty of our current situation, we have to think for ourselves, listen to our souls, and ultimately decide what we believe in faith.