02-04-2013, 12:09 AM
Namaste
Nowheretoday wrote:
>>so you are saying I should not take it for fear of having a negative experience out of it? this is like saying you should not live because something bad is going to happen.
I am not saying you should be afraid, do what ever you desire, you have free will, and consequently free choice. I have so much to say to you, to share with you, but I would rather you find out for yourself, experience is the best teacher, and ignorance the best student. Your ego is pushing you to have an experience. Spirit, consciousness, the real you needs no experience. Do not use the internet urban legend and anecdotal testimony as your teacher. The teacher is inside you. The internet is a wonderful tool, but only that, it is not the truth.
Perhaps research would be useful in your case. Do research on the great masters and the saints. Find out if they used psychedelic substances to attain the level of consciousness that they were at.
Leave the other realms alone, you're on the third dimension now. This is where your focus should be, rather explore your inner realm, that is where reality is.
May only the best happen for you.
OM
Namaste
zenmaster,
Thank you for your polite reply. I admire your understanding. The astral plane is indeed the 4th dimension, but only for puposes of reason it is mentioned as such. In fact, there is no clear demarcation of spiritual levels at all. These are, in reality, levels of consciousness, and they are not hierarchical in nature. The astral plane is where most "people" (souls) go to when they graduate or pass on.
Over many years, and for many reasons, the astral plane has been romanticised to the extent that it has become a symbol or place of holiness, which it is definitely not. Yes, there is an emotional plane or level, just as there is an intelectual level, or the level of the mind. Also read the books of Robert Monroe, both entertaining and enlightening, but containing many elements of truth.
I have also tried shamanism, and the truth is, they also go as far as the astral plane, in fact, they are more concerned with levels lower than the third dimension, so I wouldn't use them as the finger pointing to the moon.
It is absolutely fascinating to discuss the world of spirit, because that's what we are.
OM
Nowheretoday wrote:
>>so you are saying I should not take it for fear of having a negative experience out of it? this is like saying you should not live because something bad is going to happen.
I am not saying you should be afraid, do what ever you desire, you have free will, and consequently free choice. I have so much to say to you, to share with you, but I would rather you find out for yourself, experience is the best teacher, and ignorance the best student. Your ego is pushing you to have an experience. Spirit, consciousness, the real you needs no experience. Do not use the internet urban legend and anecdotal testimony as your teacher. The teacher is inside you. The internet is a wonderful tool, but only that, it is not the truth.
Perhaps research would be useful in your case. Do research on the great masters and the saints. Find out if they used psychedelic substances to attain the level of consciousness that they were at.
Leave the other realms alone, you're on the third dimension now. This is where your focus should be, rather explore your inner realm, that is where reality is.
May only the best happen for you.
OM
Namaste
zenmaster,
Thank you for your polite reply. I admire your understanding. The astral plane is indeed the 4th dimension, but only for puposes of reason it is mentioned as such. In fact, there is no clear demarcation of spiritual levels at all. These are, in reality, levels of consciousness, and they are not hierarchical in nature. The astral plane is where most "people" (souls) go to when they graduate or pass on.
Over many years, and for many reasons, the astral plane has been romanticised to the extent that it has become a symbol or place of holiness, which it is definitely not. Yes, there is an emotional plane or level, just as there is an intelectual level, or the level of the mind. Also read the books of Robert Monroe, both entertaining and enlightening, but containing many elements of truth.
I have also tried shamanism, and the truth is, they also go as far as the astral plane, in fact, they are more concerned with levels lower than the third dimension, so I wouldn't use them as the finger pointing to the moon.
It is absolutely fascinating to discuss the world of spirit, because that's what we are.
OM