12-10-2012, 01:53 PM
(This post was last modified: 12-10-2012, 07:15 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
Quote:Tenet Nosce Wrote:Those are some big "IFs". Not saying for you personally, but for people in general.
(12-09-2012, 06:26 PM)Ankh Wrote: Well, here is where we have a problem perhaps.
I think perhaps we don't have a problem. You said...
Quote:My belief is that sending love always works out well,
Always... but with the forthcoming conditions:
Quote:if this sending is seated in the green ray or above and
IF #1
Quote:if there is no attachment to the outcome.
IF #2
I was agreeing but saying those (#1 and #2) are some big IFs, given the general population. Precisely because we are 3D beings. We all have yellow and orange ray distortions to contend with... and let's be honest with ourselves... is there really no attachment to the outcome? For most people, I would say no. There is probably some attachment.
Quote:I think that most of the times the love offered, or the "green bombs" as you have called them, might perhaps not be pure green ray, but is of mixed orientation of orange and yellow rays as well. But people need to learn these ways of love in their own way, in their own pace, somehow, no?
In order to answer this question, I think we would need to look very deeply at our inner motives. And these may not be clear due to the very distortions you mention. That's precisely the problem with yellow/orange ray distortions: In order to balance them we must bring in the blue/indigo which means being willing to bear witness to ourselves in our totality- which includes the shadow aspect of ourselves. It also means acknowledging our own hidden motives, and sometimes even being "brutally" honest with ourselves.
48.7 Wrote:There is always some difficulty in penetrating blue primary energy for it requires that which your people have in great paucity; that is, honesty. Blue ray is the ray of free communication with self and with other-self.
People try to control each other with love all the time "for their own good." An overbearing mother or spouse probably does not see themselves in a negative light... but the controlled spouse/child probably feels differently.
Often times, when the spouse/child thus controlled attempts to approach the controlling party, offense is taken, i.e., "How DARE you suggest that I have anything less than the purest of loving intentions toward you!"
Obviously, "taking offense" is actually defensiveness projected outward. But good luck explaining that to the offended party in such a scenario...
Truth is, that the offended party has perceived that their "love is rejected." Of course, this isn't the case. What is the case is that the controlling energy that has become attached to the love has been rejected. But since "truth is subjective" the controller may continue to choose to perceive that their love has been rejected by their beloved.
Eventually, if the controlling behavior continues, the controlled spouse/child will likely decide that they must needs reject the love as well. But this is because the controlling-self has refused to accept the reality of their offering. They see only the green-ray component, and deny that the yellow/orange influences are present.
This is the stuff of "everyday life" that the average human has to contend with on a daily basis. My question: Is this a distortion that we wish to carry with us into fourth density? Or would we prefer to leave it behind?
Quote:(Not speaking of this recent "Lucifer meditation" which has arised as a big discussion on this forum, but generally.)
Leaving negative entities aside for the moment, no I don't otherwise think it is a big deal. As you say, people need to learn love somehow and most certainly there will be many foibles involved. Of course, one of the biggest lessons about love has to do with attempting to control others with it. And that lesson probably won't be learned until many such attempts are made.
Nevertheless, attempting to control others with love is an infringement on free will. Though likely, an infringement of the most innocuous variety where karmic considerations are concerned. But this is due to the nature of the established relationships in one's life.
For example, if we are two family members attempting to control each other with love... well we probably already have karmic ties and that is why we have this kind of relationship. But to extend outside of those relationships and try to control strangers "for their own good" that might carry more weight where karma is concerned.
Quote:I would love to hear more of your thoughts upon this subject, if you have time, energy and desire. For instance, there is this Quote:
Well, first of all this particular session was done in the days immediately following the 9/11 attacks. So let's keep that context in mind.
This is a good session, though. This part, I think, supports the notion I am trying to get at about relationships:
Quote:For each entity upon this planet can be of service in this event, for each has those with whom difficulties have arisen in the daily round of activities. Each experiences this same loss of love, and each has the power within the heart to open in love to those with whom one is in relationship.
Interpersonal relationships form the global network through which love may flow freely. When we try to bypass that network, by sending love to those which we have no personal relationship with, there is a propensity for certain difficulties.
These difficulties may be avoided by using one of the aforementioned techniques of sending love to the solar or planetary entities, or simply radiating love in all directions simultaneously. When we do this, we are also invoking faith that the love energy will end up where it is most needed, and arrive via the most appropriate channel.
Q'uo 20010916 Wrote:We would recommend to each entity that within the meditative state one see the ruptures in this planet's beingness. Perhaps you can locate them geographically within your mind, seeing them as dark and hurting, in pain and confusion. And then, begin to bring the light and the love of the one Creator into the image. See that rupture of hurt and pain lightened by this love of the one Creator, shining forth through the eyes of all. Focus upon the injury, the hurt, and the pain until it is also as bright as the noonday sun.
Speaking to this particular mediation, it is fine. I don't see it as potentially harmful.
Quote:But I don't know what's "best" for Gaia...? She has indeed not requested love or healing, so even though Q'uo is encouraging us to send her love and light, is it infringement? What is your opinion about that?
Again, Gaia is the planetary entity. Part of her role is to accept whatever energies we feel to be in abundance (negative or positive) and to either neutralize them, or redirect them to the appropriate nexus. Gaia is like the system administrator par excellence of the global distribution network for love. We cannot overload her with love. And each of us has an intimate relationship with her, whether we acknowledge it or not.
(12-10-2012, 03:00 AM)Meerie Wrote: and what would that surprise be?
Dunno... that's why it is a surprise! Negative entities are experts in confusion, fear, hatred, sorrow. Should we be so naive as to think that a negative entity does not know how to take a ball of love energy and repurpose it for negativity? Everything is Love, right? So where would we suppose the negative energy came from in the first place? Negative energy is love, inverted.
So if we, as a group, got together and generated a giant ball of love, sending it over to a "negative entity".. that's kind of like inviting them to play tennis with us. Chances are, they are not going to play nice.
Quote:what could harm you if you are in a state of love?
I dunno. Loving children get beaten and raped all the time. Often times... by the very people who supposedly love them most! Why does not love protect them from harm?
Or were you speaking of me, personally?
Quote:you sound fearful my friend
No more fearful than a parent who perceives their child contemplating touching the hot burner. Chances are, they will probably touch it anyway. Does this mean the parent does not inform them of the potential for harm?
Quote:I don't believe in those so-called negative greetings. If there is negativity I am usually able to trace it within myself, instead of blaming it on some outside "evil" source.
LOL.. oh Meerie! Well then you have answered your own question. If you are able to trace the negativity back within yourself, then you should see the folly in trying to send love energy to some outside "evil" source.
Then, what are you arguing about? Sounds like we have the same understanding.
Quote:Again, I invite everyone to look within, instead of blaming the "controversial" subject of whether or not to send love to those of Lucifer for the forum strife.
But Meerie... the strife resulted from an invitation to look within rather than directing love outwards to seeming "negative entities." Actually, it would appear that many people become irritated and annoyed whenever the suggestion to turn inward is made. This thread here is just the latest example.