Abrupt vs gradual harvest

[zenmaster]

Well yes, and you were asking about 1936.

I was referring to the time period between 1936 and now... wouldn't you say there has been a "sharp increase" of negatively oriented complexes over the last 75-ish years?

The 20th century had its share of negative oriented complexes. However, as 4D conditions have really not yet taken hold, I doubt Ra was taking about those.

Also- they say the increase in negativity will be over the "short run." What sort of time-frame do you think they meant by this?

I think the time-frame during the transitional period where the lower vibrations are still largely supported and by the still active, yet waning 3D sphere. I'd imagine a at least few generations from now.

Ra is trying to characterize the local effects of fourth density for Don. The 30 years leads up to the magnetization of the planet for 4D. After the 30 years, "full instreaming" may take place.

OK... so if we look at this part of the quote...

This is going to occur with some inconvenience, as we have said before, due to the energies of the thought-forms of your peoples which disturb the orderly constructs of energy pattern within your Earth spirals of energy which increases entropy and unusable heat. This will cause your planetary sphere to have some ruptures in its outer garment while making itself appropriately magnetized for fourth density. This is the planetary adjustment.

You will find a sharp increase in the number of people, as you call mind/body/spirit complexes, whose vibrational potentials include the potential for fourth-vibrational distortions. Thus, there will seem to be, shall we say, a new breed. These are those incarnating for fourth-density work.

There will also be a sharp increase in the short run of negatively oriented or polarized mind/body/spirit complexes and social complexes, due to the polarizing conditions of the sharp delineation between fourth-density characteristics and third-density self-service orientation.

... you are saying that in the first paragraph, Ra is talking about the thirty-year period of inconveniences leading up to "full instreaming" and going in the second paragraph, they continued past the thirty-year period into talking about what would occur for many generations beyond this... possibly extending to 700 years?

Yes indeed.

Or are you saying that they continued past the thirty-year period going into the third paragraph?

Yes.

I dunno zen- Either way that sounds more than a little strained to me.

Prob can't help you with your strain.

Why would Ra have stopped talking about the thirty-year period in the middle of a response, without specifying the change in context? Don't you think they would have anticipated widespread confusion by doing this?

Not really. Many of Don's questions had confused premises and Ra naturally took the liberty of elaborating and expanding upon the general notion of the transition.

We are only about right at the time of "full instreaming".

Yes, but this concept of "full instreaming" is a construct which doesn't even occur in the material. In fact, Ra only uses the word "instreaming" a single time, in 63.13 where they are talking about those with a "double body in activation."

It means there is a relatively unbaffled influx of energy of that vibration - due to being 4D-"magnetized".

Moreover, within that quote they are talking specifically about entities who are "now" (in 1981) incarnated. This implies that people were incarnating with the "double body in activation" back in 1981. Not some time in the future between 30 and 700 years.

That is correct, not sure where you got the idea that there was disagreement with that?

Now, if we go back to 17.1- my interpretation that having the "double body in activation" corresponds to the "new breed" they are discussing.

You don't agree?

I do agree. Again, not sure where you got the idea that I would not agree with that.

Also- What do they mean by "fourth density upon this plane"? Which plane?

The fourth-dimensional plane. As in "core-vibration" of 4D.

Let's apply this definition in the context of the sentence:

Those who remain in fourth density upon this fourth-dimensional core-vibration will be of the so-called positive orientation.

Now it looks like gibberish to me. What does this sentence even mean?

I think we already discussed this a few times. Each density has its own discrete vibration. The densities are embedded such that lower may exist within higher. Higher also controls lower. "Core" vibration simply means the vibrational base from which all subsequent manifestation follows (in time/space and when incarnated, in space/time).