Satanists holding an open dark mass on 08.12.12 relatively near.

[Cyan]

I consider the bible for the most part one big negative force.

Jesus was cool. All that love, peace and forgiveness stuff.

Oh you mean this emotional tantrum having guy: (Matthew 10)

34 “Don’t think that I’ve come to bring peace to the earth. I haven’t come to bring peace but a sword. 35 I’ve come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 People’s enemies are members of their own households.[c]

Yeah, sounds positively life affirming.

Most certainly, existence is possible without both aspects to some degree, surely you know this?

Well I've never been to a black magick ritual and don't care to, but last I heard, there wasn't any love/peace/forgiveness stuff in them.

Whereas, in a church, you'll find both.

Way to judge without being to one. =)
I heard a lot of very interesting and threathing things about channelers and spirit contacts before i came here. Should i have believed someone elses opinion and not check for myself? Depending on how you define a black magic ritual, i'm sure you've been to one, but it depends rather widely on how you define magic and ritual.

The fact that you have no trouble going to church does not indicate that the church you go it is not inherantly as negative or more so than any random black magic ritual would be.

I haven't been to a church in at least 10 years. And even then, I went only for the singing, which was uplifting. And the people there genuinely cared about me and prayed for me, and even though their beliefs were quaint and misplaced, I appreciated their willingness to help me. What is uplifting about a black magick ritual? Can you name 1 thing about it that is positive?

Lets see, it brings people together for one? There are usually nice songs (they praise their vision of the one, which while for me, for the most part, disturbing, it is for them their vision and that is always beautiful to me) if you want more then.

Various workers, players, instruments and artifacts need to be helped and guided along various steps to produce the right outcome, and no different, in major part, to any other succesful endevour in that it required group communication, agreement and ability to function harmoniously in a group.

Plus, the sowing people always need a good excuse to make nice clothing

And on a realistic side. IT really depends on how you define black magic. The old adage of trying to harm the cancer cells to stop them from multiplying is one way of looking at it. (cutting out cancer is a classical "black" act) same as dropping salt on an infected wood is black magic for the bacteria living in it. Etc. Also, depending once again on definition.

Most often people believe they can tune the negative out, when in fact they cant. They can tune their awareness of the negative seeping into their mind out of their awareness but not the process itself.

I was fully aware of the negative aspects of religion when I chose to go to that church. It's a matter of what we choose to focus on.

Yup, like i said, you choose to go to a building where you need to unfocus on what is going on to allow you to accept the religion, i call t hat tuning out of the fact that you are being used to fill a bench. Or to fill a coffer, or both.

I know what you mean about focusing on the music and the singing and the nice stuff, its all very nice and good, but you could have a music player with you that has a few CDs of church music that you brought and use the time to go gather food or clothes from the local neighbourhood for the poor. But i must admit, a warm church with people to pat on the back is usually preferable to the cold street. But tuning out is a perfectly good way to face religious dissodance.

That is to say, you can go to church and pretend that the time you spend there isnt time away from feeding, clothing and helping people, but it is still quite away from feeding, clothing, and helping people. The time you choose to spend tuning out is time others choose to spend dying due to people in a position of power to help them spending the same time tuning out.

This is rather amusing, in light of the fact that, right now, we are both choosing to engage in conversation on the internet, rather than being out there feeding and clothing the needy.

Exactly, now you see my point... I hope.

My point is that all acts are inherantly some level of "evil" or "sts" and that cant be stopped because you could always try to improve your actions more and more ad infinity.

That is why, for me, the question isnt that "is going to this ceremony a bad thing"

Its that "is going to this ceremony a worse thing that staying at home and arguing on the internet"

And its a tough call

Really. I sure would hope not, i prefer not to have mass murdering planet killer spirits roaming around on earth.

Gosh, they invoke Yahweh all the time! And we know from Ra that there are indeed STS entities hanging around...remember what they said about how the STS nasties eat fear?

Ofcourse i remember that I mean, most people can do that if they want to, and in fact, most people do, been to any scary amusement park rides lately. Or played a scary game, or watched a scary movie?

They may invoke the flying spaghetti monster, but that doesnt change the fact that there is quite a leap from thought form to spirit complex. Way i see it, Yahweh thought form is essentially allowed here, spirit form is told to go back to school and learn how to not kill his followers.

But judging by the fact of how unflooded and unburied in blood we are, i'd say the old guy is probably off somewhere in a cosmic mental institute babbling to itself about how its all humanitys fault they wont worship him for ever and ever and ever and ever and ever ad infinitum.

Are we living on the same planet? Have you not noticed how many wars have been fought, and continue to be fought to this very day, by those of Abrahamic religions? I'd say this planet is very bloody.

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YEs we are, but you are aware how much more bloody those would be if all religions had magic powers like moses or similars did?

Great flood of Iraq as a prelude to the desert storm sounds particularly nasty....

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will be back tomorrow, night!