Satanists holding an open dark mass on 08.12.12 relatively near.

[Cyan]

That is to say, if i did it, i would do it to raise awareness about the fact taht people do stuff like this for real, answer questions about my belief, about the new age, about why i did it despite it not being my belief (not a satanist myself) (asked to and i dont turn down religious sermons i'm invited to) and so on.

Are you saying that if you did it, you would be trying to reverse the negative energy and actually corrupting the corruption, thus resulting in positive?

Are you sure you could pull that off? Sounds like you're not sure, and are concerned that you would be contributing to the negative intent of the ritual.

If i were at my peak ability, fully recharged and itching for a challenge. Maybe. In this condition. Unlikely to succeed so wont take the risk.

Same as if i go into church, i dont take responsibility if God decides to be a douch because i pray to him and kill billions by flooding the planet.

LEts keep in perspective that the "god" of the bible kills a lot more people than any opposite force ever does.

If you're referring to the old testament 'god' then I wouldn't call that an 'opposite force' - it is negative and part of the same negative force.

I consider the bible for the most part one big negative force.

And anyone who goes to the church are just as responsible for that as anyone who goes to a black mass would be responsibile for a summoned bad guy.

Most people who go to church dont think of personal responsibility, thats why they go to church.

I think we are partially responsible for whatever we choose to participate in.

We can, however, choose what we wish to direct our energy towards. I can attend a Christian church service, no problem. I just focus on the love part and the singing, the uplifting, the genuine spiritual seeking that is surely to be found in a church. I just focus on all that and tune out the preaching, which often is full of elitism and bigotry.

In a Christian church, both positive and negative are to be found, to be sure.

Can you say the same about this black magick ritual?

Most certainly, existence is possible without both aspects to some degree, surely you know this? The fact that you have no trouble going to church does not indicate that the church you go it is not inherantly as negative or more so than any random black magic ritual would be.

Most often people believe they can tune the negative out, when in fact they cant. They can tune their awareness of the negative seeping into their mind out of their awareness but not the process itself.

That is to say, you can go to church and pretend that the time you spend there isnt time away from feeding, clothing and helping people, but it is still quite away from feeding, clothing, and helping people. The time you choose to spend tuning out is time others choose to spend dying due to people in a position of power to help them spending the same time tuning out.

Edit: can you imagine what kind of ... horrors... would go down if those ... people... actually managed to summon Yahwe back to earth?

But they've already done that...they do it every day. Yahweh is alive and well on Planet Earth.

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Really. I sure would hope not, i prefer not to have mass murdering planet killer spirits roaming around on earth.

Then again, we have other similar spirits of equally nasty intent running around so wouldnt be surprising.

But judging by the fact of how unflooded and unburied in blood we are, i'd say the old guy is probably off somewhere in a cosmic mental institute babbling to itself about how its all humanitys fault they wont worship him for ever and ever and ever and ever and ever ad infinitum.

If you ask me, i'd rather take a life of liberty followed by nothing than a life of slavery followed by more slavery.

In my eyes, one of the worst spirits in the cosmos are spirits like Yahweh, and i would have much much more trouble even wanting to summon him than i would, say, wanting to summon Ra or Seth. Both being viewed by Yahweh as cause for eternal damnation and immediate death (not allowing witches to live, and what not). I swear, that guy is such a hoot. Lets not forget that if anyone here followed the old testament accurately, we'd all have someone trying to kill us.

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Let me put it this way.

What if you were invited by your local church to give out a sermon praising the mid-eastern blood/human sacrifice god Yahweh and you had moral qualms about it but could use it to speak to a large crowd?

I'm opting not to do it at all. But that would be the appropriate analogue, i think.