(11-27-2012, 10:30 PM)kanonathena Wrote:(11-24-2012, 11:03 PM)anagogy Wrote: What we perceive as "existence" is simply a minute cross section of the creators omniscience... Lets step back from the abyss for a moment, and consider this carefully. The creator knows *everything*. But........what does it actually mean to know EVERYTHING? Knowing everything also includes the awareness of what it is like to NOT know everything. Thus, illusions of separation come into being. And they are infinitely vivid and real seeming. They don't actually come into being (they always existed), but I'm trying to word this in a way that will make the most sense to this illusory "you" reading these words.
And when i refer to an "illusory you" I'm not saying you will stop existing. Don't worry, haha. The real "you" is the consciousness looking out from the perspective of the ego that you presently identify with. It is eternal. So rest easy in that. Nobody is forcing you to let go of any reality you hold dear. When you are done sleeping, you wake up. It's that simple. Not complicated at all.
So basically, what this giant wall of text I've written here is getting around to saying is: the creator didn't "choose" to know itself. It just does. Automatically. It "appears" to choose within the illusion. This is just a knowing of what it is like to choose. All choices are explored or known. And this knowingness manifests as a series of levels of consciousness which we have come to know as "densities". These levels, or planes of existence, are products of consciousness latching onto the "knowingness" or "consciousness" of what it is like to be ignorant, to create, to grow, to wonder. The experience stops when the identification with these "objects" stop.
This post resonates with me deeply, and it speaks to the heart of the question which still puzzles me.
Are you saying that we are the creator seeing things from a narrowed perspective. I guess being a mind/body/spirit complex, creator is the spirit, mind is the perspective, body simply tag along with that perspective?
From my perspective, mind is inner consciousness, body is outer consciousness, and "spirit" is the relationship or dialog between the microcosm and macrocosm. All is consciousness.
(11-27-2012, 10:30 PM)kanonathena Wrote: Isn't it a misnomer to say we are co-creators, since we are the creator itself, simply in different perspective?
It could be a misnomer depending on what level of consciousness you are looking at "that which is" from. From the broadest and most undistorted level, there is only One. From other levels of consciousness, "co-creators" could be an accurate description of the illusion.
(11-27-2012, 10:30 PM)kanonathena Wrote: If we are the different perspectives of the creator who is experiencing itself simultaneously through all these perspectives, creator is actually multitasking? It's a bit difficult for me to imagine, I can only notice myself focusing on one thing at a time, no matter how short the focus is. I think this is a core of my confusion, how unity awareness generate infinite focus...
It is multitasking in the same sense that a prism is multitasking when it separates white light into different colors. It's all reflexive. To continue the analogy, what we commonly refer to as our "selves" in this illusion is just one of those colors. You aren't aware of other streams of consciousness because you are still identified with your incarnate ego. You are still focused within the illusion. What you really are is the light before it entered the prism. There are no individual colors there, no individuals there.
From the broadest level of consciousness, intelligent infinity, there are no objects, there is no illusory virtual reality, just clear light, or undistorted consciousness of consciousness. Everything is "there", but in true oneness it is not perceived as an "object", its just clear light. There isn't even any perception at that level, because perception involves a translation of data. You perceive (X) with (X) senses. But not there. Everything is just viscerally known, at that level. Its an amassing of all vibrations and their reciprocals. All distortions are balanced out. Just an awareness of infinite potential.
(11-27-2012, 10:30 PM)kanonathena Wrote: Another thing, if all possibility are already known to the creator, what useful information do I bring back to "myself", since all knowledge are already known in the first place?
See, that's just it. There is no useful information that you are "bringing back." Within the illusion, there is the image of a portion of the creator sparking off and going on this spiritual journey through the densities, learning lessons, and broadening its awareness until it rejoins the creator. The creator has no need of this knowledge its acquiring. The knowledge it acquires is solely for the sparks benefit. To enhance its journey. The one infinite creator, outside the illusion, isn't trying to "figure something out", though there are portions within the illusion that may appear to be doing just that.
But once the journey is over, and even during, the creator is exactly the same as before it went on the journey. Change is only relegated to the relative realities. Not the absolute reality.
(11-27-2012, 10:30 PM)kanonathena Wrote: You said separation is simply the opposite side of unity, both has existed forever long, I still find difficult to make sense of my seemingly linear progression from separation to unity. Am I simply on a loop, unity to separation, separation to unity, unity to separation... And I just happened to be on separation to unity track of a particular cycle? The veil of forgetting is making this really difficult, I constantly ask myself why everything is the way it is.
Sort of.
Separation is the resistance to unity. The resistance to "what is". It is the path, through illusion, to "what is not". It is the exploration, knowingness, or omniscience of the thought-form of nothingness or separation. Since nothingness isn't real, it can only be explored in illusion. In simulation.
Or we could just think of the creator as a hyperdimensional star which is always radiating the light of consciousness. As the light proceeds away from the central mass of this "star" it spreads thinner, and densities are simply different portions of that attenuating radiation. Or we could think of it as a pond, with broader and broader ripples in it, which eventually calm down until the water is undistorted and clear.
I'm not sure if the answer to your question will satisfy you, because you're looking for an intellectually satisfying answer to a non-linear question which can only result in a non-linear answer, which is usually not very satisfying to the human intellect which is, by design, linear in nature. Also, the words will never be adequate.
Instead I will offer you an analogy: look at a rock. Looks like its not moving, right? Looks very still. But zoom in many many magnitudes and it is a blur of activity at the molecular and sub-molecular levels. So from this analogy, you can see how things look at different levels. Now, lets say this rock always existed. All that activity you see zoomed in is always occurring, always was. But you don't see it from the broadest perspective. Its just not happening there, from that perspective. But those lower levels always exist, always have. The only thing that ever changed was your identification with a perspective of it. When you cease identifying altogether, you're *all* of it.
Its forgivable if your mind feels like a pretzel after considering this for a while.
The source of all distortions, is the limit of the viewpoint. Everything below the broadest viewpoint, which is unlimited, is distortion. That's why free will is the first "distortion". The idea of an independent will is already separating or distorting in nature. Existence has been slightly resisted in that moment of exercising illusory choice. You have, in that moment, seemingly left the broadest existence and entered a reality where choices need to be made for things to happen. Within the illusion, choice is real. Outside of it, its not even necessary.