Going to fourth density? Or fifth?

[zenmaster]

What do you want to know?

Well my general impression has been that you feel there is no significance to the time period in and around the winter solstice of 2012.

Why do you say that?

Wherein there have been discussions that we are about to experience "harvest" you appear to have argued that it nothing special is about to occur, that 2013 will come and go without much discernible change, and that any other expectations are just about our projected hopes and fears.

No, not all all. If you read what I've said on the subject, I said is it's not associated with an "event", it's a process.

I am also not clear on your opinion of the role of wanderers during and after such a transition, whenever it occurs. You seem fairly certain that no wanderers have hybrid bodies, and therefore cannot survive in a 4D environment.

You don't need a hybrid body to survive in the early stages of the transition. You need a hybrid body/mind to fully appreciate the vibration. Do you see the difference? Wanderers can not have dual bodies as that would allow direct access to (millions of years of) prior distilled experience.

According to my read, 4D vibrations started instreaming circa 1935, and so I don't see why wanderers born since then wouldn't have hybrid bodies. So then, what happens to the wanderers after the "quantum leap"? Poof- here one minute gone the next? Or...?

The "quantum leap" just marks the uninhibited "instreaming". Nothing happens to wanderers other than probable familiarity with the conditions. Aspects of that type of energy or vibration is the same as experienced at various points prior depending on polarity and inner work.

I'm sure I have mischaracterized your opinions here, which is why I am asking about them, so that you can make the corrections.

There is no need to mischaracterize what I said in order to draw out specifics, just ask.

So then, where does the end-of-the-cycle harvest fit in to all of this? Does it happen before full 4D instreaming begins? Or after the "transition period" is completed?

The harvest occurs when you die. Most likely soon after the full 4D instreaming begins. It depends on how much catalytic opportunity is still available for learning lessons of 3D. If it's too transparent, then the veil is not effective.

How shall we know it has occurred? Especially for those of us that do not have hybrid bodies?

How do you know when you die?

The way I see it, the 6th subdensity is the one where people just begin to access both their subjective interiority (Wilber's left-hand quadrants), and have some activity in green-ray (green ray catalyst is available).

So there is an overlap between when full 4D instreaming begins, and when the 3D experience ends? Or is there a discontinuity?

Yes, there is overlap - thus the transition period.

That's the subdensity where "initiation" may begin, the subdensity where "dark night of the soul" may be introduced as one is confronted with rejected aspects of the self.

Gosh- if we haven't already been collectively going through that "dark night of the soul" process, what the heck has been going on this whole time? It sounds like life gets even harder in the sixth subdensity...

Well, the collective questions are part of it but acceptance still beckons.

I think the calling in Egypt, where Ra taught the locals, was due to a sufficient number of individuals reaching that level.

But how did so many people achieve 6SD some six to ten thousand years ago so far in advance of the rest of the population? And where are they now?

The had a rather advanced culture which facilitated leisure time. Most are still here. Some were wanderers.

As far as I can tell, instreaming will essentially provide that type of environment to everyone - whether they have individuated sufficiently to process it or not. So the impact is tremendous catalyst due to mirroring of self (ready or not).

But that sounds like there would be a great potential for a "Mad Max" scenario with people running around like lunatics in the streets. Hardly a slow, stepwise transition taking place over several hundred years.

I don't see it that way. People will adapt and will cope to process the new, more transparent, psychological conditions. It's just themselves after all, not some truly foreign burden being introduced.

I suppose that frames my general misunderstanding of your view. How do you reconcile full 4D instreaming hitting us all at once like clockwork around 2012-2013 with a slow transition period of 700-ish years?

The transition period is where the instreaming is actually utilized by the populace.

Speaking from my own experience, I came across the Law of One around 1995. Since then, I have worked on a near daily basis to accept everything I encounter as an aspect of myself. That's a lot of work, and it of course hasn't all been easy. And there is yet more to do.

It's a lot of work, then it gets easier.

Even still, with the slight advantage of having some semblance of understanding with respect to what is going on, I find myself wondering if I have sufficiently prepared. Or wondering if there is something lurking deep down and denied in my subconscious just waiting to rise up and clobber me over the head when I least expect it.

What is the relationship you have established with yourself? It's only "you". "you" wants to cooperate with "you". It is more than willing to cooperate. The universe itself is more than willing to cooperate. Everything you need is built in.

So- in all my attempts to "get ready" I have built up a degree of apprehension that I won't be at all ready, and have been deluding myself into thinking I have been making progress this whole time. Rather ironic...

Well, you can start with taking a look at all aspects of what it means to you personally to not be ready or to be ready. Also take a look at what you consider to be "progress". Also, what does deluding yourself mean? What other times have you deluded yourself and what were the actual consequences?