11-24-2012, 03:40 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-24-2012, 03:52 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
@hogey-
Your challenge to my challenge is hereby challenged!
But seriously- I won't attempt to deny any of your points, although some of them may be argued.
The difference is in what we would consider to be the threshold of "acceptable" behavior among non-earth peoples.
In your post, you have identified "barely subsisting" as "people from the third world." Those are related concepts, but not the same concept. There are plenty of people in the third world whose basic physical needs are attended to, as are there plenty in the first world whose physical needs are not being attended to.
Yes, there is much of spiritual value to be found in the third world. This is because spiritual values exist independently from space and time considerations.
And yet, when a person is in the circumstance of near constantly attending to the need to feed, clothe, and shelter themselves, there is little opportunity for spiritual contemplation, of any sort. The mind is, of necessity, fixated on space and time and thus is not free to contemplate metaphysical things.
You mention the kids... I say yes, what about the kids? What about the children who are abducted by other human beings on a daily basis, and used for God knows what, including being sold into sexual slavery? And what about those of humanity that are paying money for use of these sex slaves? Not to mention the ones who rape little kids for free.
That's just one thing, I could go on. There are a ba-gillion "causes" to select from. But the point is, if I were to imagine myself on some sort of "celestial council" in some metaphysical realm, I might be inclined to make a case that... yes, there are lots of wonderful, inspiring, loving, and positive things about earth's human population.
But the fact of the matter is that they are still raping little children. So unless or until they figure out how to exist without such behaviors in their own physical societies, I'm not sure what benefit they would derive from having contact with a metaphysical society.
Monica- I'm going to take a guess and say everybody is vegetarian on your home planet.
Would you invite your alien cousins to come dwell with the earth peoples? Do you suppose they would even want to come if they could?
Your challenge to my challenge is hereby challenged!

But seriously- I won't attempt to deny any of your points, although some of them may be argued.
The difference is in what we would consider to be the threshold of "acceptable" behavior among non-earth peoples.
In your post, you have identified "barely subsisting" as "people from the third world." Those are related concepts, but not the same concept. There are plenty of people in the third world whose basic physical needs are attended to, as are there plenty in the first world whose physical needs are not being attended to.
Yes, there is much of spiritual value to be found in the third world. This is because spiritual values exist independently from space and time considerations.
And yet, when a person is in the circumstance of near constantly attending to the need to feed, clothe, and shelter themselves, there is little opportunity for spiritual contemplation, of any sort. The mind is, of necessity, fixated on space and time and thus is not free to contemplate metaphysical things.
You mention the kids... I say yes, what about the kids? What about the children who are abducted by other human beings on a daily basis, and used for God knows what, including being sold into sexual slavery? And what about those of humanity that are paying money for use of these sex slaves? Not to mention the ones who rape little kids for free.
That's just one thing, I could go on. There are a ba-gillion "causes" to select from. But the point is, if I were to imagine myself on some sort of "celestial council" in some metaphysical realm, I might be inclined to make a case that... yes, there are lots of wonderful, inspiring, loving, and positive things about earth's human population.
But the fact of the matter is that they are still raping little children. So unless or until they figure out how to exist without such behaviors in their own physical societies, I'm not sure what benefit they would derive from having contact with a metaphysical society.
Monica- I'm going to take a guess and say everybody is vegetarian on your home planet.
Would you invite your alien cousins to come dwell with the earth peoples? Do you suppose they would even want to come if they could?
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