Turkey Day 2012!

[Monica]

WOW Monica,

I simply cannot see where anything that I posted could have possibly caused you to be so insulted and defensive.

In your effort to make my post somehow seem like an insult you completely ignored the specific places where I deliberately stated that I applaud your efforts.

It seems that this is just one of those topics that is so close to heart for you that you will see anyone who attempts to discuss it with you who is not in full compliance with what you suggest as insulting and causes you to misread their words entirely, so I will not engage you on the subject out of respect for your well meaning intentions.

I guess its just a matter of your not being able to understand the things I have tried to point out to you. I assure you that I also have a great deal of compassion toward our animal friends and find cruelty and mass marketing just as abhorrent as you, and again applaud your efforts and any means of reducing cruelty wherever it occurs to whatever is being abused.

But what I have to say both about the system, and our participation and enabling of it, being a far more grander problem than any miniscule particular aspect that one would choose to dissect from its whole, points to a rationale which can much more logically address many of those issues in ways much more beneficially.

That you have taken my words so personally and made them sound as though they were directed at you and your husband particularly reveals to me that this is a topic with which you are far too emotionally charged to even begin a discussion on.

So we should leave it there so no more misinterpretation can be made and no more insults taken where none are actually intended.

That certainly swerves no purpose.

I think that the point where you asked me how it would go for me if I was to challenge the gay flamers about the problem of public indecency best made my exact point.

That you didn't even get it, even as you were putting the shoe on my foot, speaks to the real reason why my words were taken by you the way way they were.

And it is such misunderstanding and inaccurate assumptions and interpretations which is the very 'system' which I have tried to point you to.

It is not that your efforts are unworthy or that the salvation of any suffering being is not a valid cause.

It is simply that in trivializing the complex nature of that which you battle, you do a greater injustice to a far greater cause which should be our focus.

And that is precisely why it would not go good for me to attempt to impose my opinion on gay flamers, in ignorance of the more complex nature of such interaction, just as it will not go good for you in your efforts to sway the entire world from eating meat.

However, because of your sensitivity toward the issue, you are unable to understand what I am saying here, and instead only take insult from it which I certainly do not want to do to you.

Funny, from my perspective, you aren't understanding my points at all, and in fact don't even bother to respond to them (as I do yours). So I guess we can just call it even!

So I do apologize for causing you any insult by offering my thoughts on the matter. That was not my intention.

You wonder why I took offense, then proceed to list numerous misconceptions about me, my views, and even whether my efforts are doing any good, to the point of saying I'm making it worse :exclamation:, while rarely, if ever, addressing any of my points in an acedemic discussion, but instead offering a new barrage of your own points, then apologize all in the same breath? Not to mention calling the Queen of the Wall of Text on the Subject of Meat one who "trivializes the complexity" of the subject! Oh that's rich, Shin'Ar!

May I ask you one simple question?

What are your thoughts about feeding our dogs and cats?

If you are truly interested in my views on that subject, you will find them if you search. I've already discussed that subject previously.

I am now politely declining any further discussion with you. Have a good day, Shin'Ar!