Turkey Day 2012!

[Shin'Ar]

Doesn't anyone else see this as contradictory? I mean, even those who think eating animals is 'ok' doesn't this trigger even a teeeeeeny tiny twinge of...something?

Of course we do Monica but as I have discussed with you in great depth, it seems that you are focused on one aspect of a far greater 'system' responsible for the merciless and incompassionate attitudes which you strive to change.

And though I applaud your eforts and do not in any way deem them unwprthy, I also observe that this 'system' and its 'ways' are better rebelled against by applying some more involved thinking on the matter.

For example, if you are wearing a diamond ring, and driving an automobile, living in a heated home, with refrigerated food, then YOU are a reason that this 'system' which you rebel against with regards to eating meat, is able to function to the degree where so many animals are tortured.

And unless one takes this into consideration, one cannot on one hand rebel and on the other hand participate.

Its not that I am suggesting any degree of hypocrisy Monica, but as in my views on your meat thread, I think it is essential to consider the indepth and complex aspects of ALL issues so that we can develop understanding which also considers the rights of the Other when we try to assert our own.

Its not just a matter of defining and designating compassion anmd drawing lines.

It is a matter of recognizing and understanding The All and how complex the social dynamics of humanity relate to many of these issues.

To say we should fight for the humane rights of turkeys everywhere, while at the same time participating in a system which is also directly responsible for abusing the humane rights of humans, is simply not understanding the true dynamics of why such things occur in the first place.

Whether or not you open a facebook page on human rights to give credence and balance to a fight for animal rights does not address the real issues of why such things happen.

Let's discuss the complexities and maybe in gatheri8ng higher understandings, we can then move on to real solutions rather than just defining more opinions which really only results in the need to discern who has the most legitimate opinion or who has the loudest voice.

Recently in my home town our Mardi Gras has been completely cancelled because of the way that the gay rights activists have used it as a platform for launching their opinions that they have a right to express themselves freely. this resulted in too much vulgar and lewd exposing in public environments.

I have many gay friends who will quickly tell you that this is an extreme element of that community which they do not support or agree with. But do they or do they not have the right to expose themselves in vulgar fashion in public or not?

And if one speaks out against it, they are condemned for being homophobic, which in today's western social thinking is worse than vulgarity.

A grown man riding a bicycle naked through the city streets, and wearing a large dildo around your waste with a leather sadomasochist outfit on a parade float, while hundreds of little girls are there to see Santa Claus, is the result of the same 'system' which I am trying to get you to acknowledge in your efforts to address the mass murder of turkeys and cows.

And the fact that such a system runs amok untethered for the sake of equality in the guise of humane inter-relations is the real problem which needs to addressed, and participating in that system by adorning its luxuries is simply a matter of protesting prostitution while one is in reality actually prostituting themselves.

We must all acknowledge that we are deeply ingrained into this 'system' in many ways, and pointing a finger at one aspect of it while we continue to participate is simply waving a finger out the car window as though that effort has some merit and is going to actually accomplish something.

If we really care, there are things that must be made far more a priority and issues which should be addressed that might actually accomplish solutions. And picketing on a street corner about furs and then going home to a luxurious lifestyle is NOT a solution.

The true problem here is trying to answer how we address everyone else's rights and opinions, whether we agree with them or not. If we suggest that the Other has no right to think or act in a certain manner, regardless of how we define it, than we have automatically denied our own rights to exist.

We all know the difference between murder and inhumanity and acts of mercy and compassion.

But we all know that we are also enabling the 'system' by how we are living our lives.

Barking at the apple tree is not going to make it shake its apples loose.

This is why the 'harvest' is necessary.