02-07-2010, 02:31 PM
(This post was last modified: 02-07-2010, 02:41 PM by Peregrinus.)
First and foremost, I want to ensure that my words are taken with a grain of salt, for I too am here learning in this incarnate experience, and though the veil thins, I still have my head in the fog, for the most part. Please keep what I say that resonates with you, and discard the rest.
Just to ensure clarity in terminology, when I speak of "free will", I use this term to describe decisions. I use to the word "choice" describe the specific conscious or unconscious decision of being sto or sts. In clarifying the terms to have specific meanings in regards to the subject matter which we discuss, I believe it is easier to communicate with less confusion.
I don't understand (brother?) why you skip past choosing our place in the incarnate experience, the role, as it were, to saying we have no free will once we do so. It's like saying I picked an apple, and here it is in my hand, but why isn't it an orange? It is what it is, not what it isn't. We do accept, by contract, limitation on ourself (the veil), because without limitation the illusion would be far less intense and counter productive to what we seek to do, gain experience and remove distortion.
Again, I see no lack of free will. Could you be more specific in the direction you wish to explore more deeply?
Just to ensure clarity in terminology, when I speak of "free will", I use this term to describe decisions. I use to the word "choice" describe the specific conscious or unconscious decision of being sto or sts. In clarifying the terms to have specific meanings in regards to the subject matter which we discuss, I believe it is easier to communicate with less confusion.
(02-07-2010, 12:03 PM)zenmaster Wrote: It would be interesting to hear your take on our current incarnate condition with respect to how we do have free will, but as you say, no choice in the role we play (once we sign on for it).
I don't understand (brother?) why you skip past choosing our place in the incarnate experience, the role, as it were, to saying we have no free will once we do so. It's like saying I picked an apple, and here it is in my hand, but why isn't it an orange? It is what it is, not what it isn't. We do accept, by contract, limitation on ourself (the veil), because without limitation the illusion would be far less intense and counter productive to what we seek to do, gain experience and remove distortion.
(02-07-2010, 12:03 PM)zenmaster Wrote: For example, if it isn't lack of free will that denies one's choice, what is it in your opinion? I ask because it runs counter to my understanding on what role is possible and what is possible according to the Ra Material.
Again, I see no lack of free will. Could you be more specific in the direction you wish to explore more deeply?