Poll about cancer "cure"

[Monica]

I didn't know there were actual statistics on that... do you know the source for that?

I've seen it in multiple places, but they might have been second-hand. I'll see if I can find the original stats. I'm pretty sure Mercola has covered this.

Here's one, for starters:

Most Cancer Patients Die of Chemotherapy

And this:

http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/cancer/to...r-patient/

Dr Abel did a comprehensive review and analysis of every major study and clinical trial of chemotherapy ever done...it is unlikely that anyone in the world knows more about chemotherapy than he.

...the results are astounding: Abel found that the overall worldwide success rate of chemotherapy was “appalling” because there was simply no scientific evidence available anywhere that chemotherapy can “extend in any appreciable way the lives of patients suffering from the most common organic cancers.”

Abel emphasizes that chemotherapy rarely can improve the quality of life. He describes chemotherapy as “a scientific wasteland” and states that at least 80 percent of chemotherapy administered throughout the world is worthless, and is akin to the “emperor’s new clothes” – neither doctor nor patient is willing to give up on chemotherapy even though there is no scientific evidence that it works! – Lancet 10 Aug 91 [35]

No mainstream media even mentioned this comprehensive study: it was totally buried.

Similar are the conclusions of most medical researchers who actually try to work their way past the smoke and mirrors to get to the real statistics. In evaluating a therapeutic regimen, the only thing that really matters is death rate – will a treatment significantly extend a patient’s life? Not life as a vegetable, but the natural healthy independent lifespan of a human being...If a dying patient’s condition changes even for a week or a month, especially if the tumor shrinks temporarily, the patient is listed as having “responded to” chemotherapy. No joke! The fact that the tumor comes back stronger soon after chemo is stopped, is not figured into the equation. The fact that the patient has to endure horrific side effects in order to temporarily shrink the tumor is not considered. That fact that the patient soon dies is not figured into the equation. The idea is to sell, sell, and sell. Sell chemotherapy.

Also in the media we find the loud successes chemotherapy has had on certain rare types of cancer, like childhood leukemia, and Hodgkin’s lymphoma. But for the vast majority of cancer cases, chemo is a failure. Worse yet, a toxic one.

Even with Hodgkins, one of chemo’s much-trumpeted triumphs, the cure is frequently a success, but the patient dies. He just doesn’t die of Hodgkins disease, that’s all. In the 1994 Journal of the National Cancer Institute, [38] they published a 47-year study of more than 10,000 patients with Hodgkins lymphoma, who were treated with chemotherapy. Even though there was success with the Hodgkins itself, these patients encountered an incidence of leukemia that was six times the normal rate. This is a very common type of reported success within the cancer industry – again, the life of the patient is not taken into account.

http://www.whale.to/cancer/german_mag.html

Chemo Does Not Cure: Often It Inflicts Damage and Spreads Cancer

Well I still didn't find the original stats - sorry - but I keep finding more interesting stuff! This next one is encouraging, about a subtle paradigm shift occurring in the allopathic world:

More doctors and patients are starting to view cancer as a chronic illness-something to be treated, not cured

What I'm referring to when I say "I've never seen any" is people who got started a little earlier than that, and followed the protocol. I've never seen a single person, who followed the protocol, not get some sort of dramatic healing results.

So you are saying, in every case excepting those last minute deals, the cancer disappeared? What kind/stage of cancer are we talking about? And how many cases?

If you re-read my statement, you'll see that I wasn't referring to the 'curing' of any disease. To clarify:

This water does a better job of doing what water is supposed to do: remove metabolic waste. If metabolic waste if more efficiently removed from the cells, then all the organs and systems will naturally function better. If the organs and systems are functioning better, what happens? Symptoms start to be alleviated.

My statement was that 100% of the people who followed the protocol got dramatic benefits. I stand by that. Now, what does dramatic benefits mean?

I'll give some examples. These are all people I know/knew personally.

J was on 7 different meds: diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, sleeping pills, anti-depressants, and pain meds. She was nearly bedridden from pain - fibromyalgia and arthritis. After 2 weeks of the water, she woke up pain-free and got off 6 of the 7 meds. 2 months later the last one - the diabetes med - was making her sick, so she got off that too. Her energy was through the roof, even though she didn't change her diet. She didn't exercise. But she lost 25 lbs during those 2 months.

I already told you B's story - advanced stage 4 throat cancer - had already done chemo and radiation, was left to die. He was declared cancer-free 6 months after starting the water. It's been 2 years now and he's doing great.

J (a different J) got diagnosed with an aggressive breast cancer. She got a machine and after 3 weeks of the water, the tumor had shrunk considerably. But she went ahead with the scheduled chemo. She slacked a bit on the water, thinking she'd had it licked. A year later she went on vacation for 3 weeks, not drinking much water and it not being fresh - and soon after that discovered she now had ovarian and uterine cancer as well. Stage 4. The doc told her some other treatment would work after the first one failed. She fired her oncologist and went raw vegan, bought a juicer, drastically increased her water intake, and could literally feel the tumors shrinking. She is doing fabulous!

My niece, R, was schizophrenic and had been hearing voices all her life. 3 days of drinking the water, the voices stopped. She got a job and was doing great. But, a year later she got fired and it threw her into a tailspin. She took a handful of Tylenol and was near death. Her only hope was a liver transplant. I told my brother to smuggle in some water to her. The next day her liver counts 'miraculously' returned to near-normal.

J (the first J) was giving water to a lady with heart cancer. The lady couldn't get out of bed, she was so sick. Stage 4. 2 weeks of drinking the water, she got out of bed, feeling great, and went shopping. But, she already had some experimental treatment scheduled, so she told her doctor about the water and the doc told her not to drink it, but to do the treatment instead. She did. She died.

Unfortunately, I've had several like that. They were getting promising results - tumors shrinking rapidly - but then told the doctor and the doc told them to quit drinking the water and do the treatment instead. Which blows my mind...why should they quit drinking water? It's just nuts! In those cases, when they quit the water and did the chemo, most of them died. They made their choice.

We had another lady - forgot her name - stage 4 - was doing great...tumors shrinking, energy returning. She had already done chemo previously and it had failed. Her family was thrilled that she was getting great results with the water. But, she decided she couldn't live without her Dr. Pepper, so she quit the water in favor of her beloved sodas. (the water won't work if the person drinks sodas.) She died.

M had already had breast cancer previously. It returned with a vengeance, stage 4 very aggressive. Doc told her she must have surgery and chemo immediately. She put if off a month and bought a machine. She also went raw vegan and did juicing. She went back a month later and there was no trace of the cancer.

K showed up using a walker. She had MS. By the 3rd time she came for a refill, she came without her walker.

B was in a wheelchair, awaiting knew replacement surgery in both knees. 10 days of drinking the water, she woke up pain free and got out of her wheelchair. She never got the surgery.

I think I told you the story of Dr. P, who'd lost cognitive function after surgery for a brain aneurysm. 2 weeks of the water, knee pain and arthritis disappeared, he got his libido back, and...he (quote) "got his brain back"!

And of course my own story...which I think I've told you.

O's migraines disappeared...G's dandruff disappeared and he got half his hair color back...everyone with acid reflux got relief...constipation always goes...bleeding gums stop bleeding...it's totally routine for people to get off their blood pressure meds...and I always know that whenever I meet anyone with fibromyalgia, I will make a sale, because they always get pain relief and don't want to go back to being in pain. (I give them water first, if they are local...so they can try it...never any pressure to buy anything.)

P was born with a colon disorder and has been constipated her entire life. She's now in her mid-30s. Her 'normal' elimination pattern was 1 bowel movement every 1-2 weeks. (Can you imagine! poor dear!) The first week on the water, she felt nauseous. The 2nd week, she called me, ecstatic - she was pooping every day for the first time in her life! The 3rd week, she called me, freaking out that she was pooping too much! She was having a movement 3 times a day! I laughed and told her she was doing great!

These are just a small sampling of my own friends, family and customers. They're not all cancer stories, but I wanted to show you a sampling of the types of conditions I routinely see resolved. I have dozens more stories like that, in my personal sphere of influence...I can't even keep track anymore. Many feel the water saved their life. Many more feel it saved their quality of life.

I have met others at conventions, who told their stories of stage 4 cancer, brain tumors, autism, you name it. There's a clinic working with autistic kids...they're still autistic, but after 10 days of this water and some supplements and therapies, they're talking in sentences and their behavior is vastly improved. One lady I know whose teenage son couldn't be left alone for even a minute and couldn't go to the bathroom by himself, is now functioning, dressing himself, etc. Water only, no clinic, no supplements.

Yes, I know: All natural supplements have similar testimonials. They're all over-hyped, right? Here's the difference: Only some of the people drinking the latest berry juice drink get results. Whereas virtually all the people who drink this water get some kind of tangible benefit. Why? because not everyone is deficient in the nutrients found in berry juice! But everyone needs efficient hydration. That is the difference. It's simple chemistry. That is why: I haven't met a single person who didn't notice some sort of dramatic results. Does that mean every cancer patient got healed? No. Most of them turn to us when it's too late and they have only 2 days to live. Most of those don't make it. Even so, some do! One of my NDs had a guy on kidney dialysis, given 2 days to live. The family smuggled in the water. 2 days later he got out of ICU, and a couple of days after that he went home. He's still alive, last I heard. But most who are that advanced don't make it. They need to catch it a bit sooner...maybe a few weeks to live instead of 2 days!

I know an ND who had hundreds of advanced stage cancer patients recover. He already had been getting some good results, but his success rate skyrocketed when he added the water to the protocol. I know it's true because I met some of them. The local oncologist started sending his incurables to him, and many healed.

Remember J? She is local to me. A local MD's wife's breast cancer shrunk after drinking the water, so the doc started sending his incurables to J. Another MD also sends people to J. J isn't a practitioner. She just gives them the water.

So, to be clear: The water doesn't cure anything. It has no nutrients, except absorbable minerals. It just does a better job of doing what water does. The body is what does the healing. It just has a better chance of healing itself if it's better hydrated and toxins are being flushed out of the cells.

I never, ever tell anyone that this water will cure them! Especially cancer patients! I just tell them it has anti-cancer properties and would be an excellent foundation to an alternative healing protocol, should they decide to pursue that. If they're open to it, I always suggest that they do some reflection to see if maybe they have some unresolved anger issues.

And just for the record, I never ever ever attempt to 'treat' anyone myself. I'm not a doctor! I always suggest that they seek the advice of the practitioner of their choice. I offer generic info pertaining to the water only.

No amount of water, juicing, or whatever will magically cure a person if they haven't used the catalyst.

I read somewhere (Bernardo maybe?) that anger manifests in the body as acidity. It was an Aha! moment! Makes perfect sense!

That led to my theorizing that ionized water, and the ionized water found in fresh fruits and veggies, and probably other nutrients found in fresh fruits and veggies, help to resolve/neutralize anger as they alkalize the body.

Anger is often depicted as red. Those who can see auras say an angry person will have a lot of red in their aura. On the pH scale, acid is yellow, stronger acid is orange, extremely acid is red.

Neutral is green, alkaline is blue, and very alkaline is purple. Our water tests at violet purple. Coincidence?

The water doesn't cure anything. It's just the foundation. Those who are ready to resolve their anger and utilize the catalyst just might be led to this water, along with other things, because they are ready for it.

That's not to say they can't be healed without it. Of course they can! There are many ways to heal! This water just helps make it much more efficient. Also, most people won't change their diets. It's a lot easier to change their water. Then, what often happens is that they start improving their diets too, after being encouraged by the water. Not always. I am forever telling people to not depend solely on the water, but to be responsible and improve the other areas too. I tell them it's asking for trouble to assume that just because they drink the water, they don't have to exercise or eat well. That's probably the biggest challenge: for some people, they get such great results that they think they don't have to do anything else. It can go either way.

However, I can honestly say that, in 100% of the cases I have observed, provided they followed the protocol, they got some sort of dramatic, noticeable, tangible improvement in their health. I have not yet met a single person who didn't.

What percentage of the cases you have observed actually follow the protocol?

I've never tracked the numbers, but I'd say at least half follow the protocol and do quite well. Among those who don't, the main issue is they don't want to give up their sodas. It really depends on how badly they want to get better. (And before you suggest that giving up sodas is what did it, please know that many weren't soda drinkers...I am one of those...I haven't had a soda in 30 years.) Once they get results, most then buy their own machine and then get even better results once they get the water fresh.

What about people who generally feel fine? Do they report improvements as well?

Yes, they report that they are sleeping better, have more energy, and better digestion. They don't need Tums anymore. Skin looks better. In teens, acne clears up.

But most of the people I deal with are sick people. Oh, and athletes. They have more stamina, less muscle fatigue, no more cramps, that kind of thing.

I've heard some amazing stories about race horses.

But pH and ORP aren't that simple to understand!

What I mean by 'simple chemistry' is that everyone's body need water, and that water must be absorbed for it to do its job. No one can say "that water wouldn't do anything for me" because, regardless of other differences like genetics, metabolism, nutritional needs and deficiencies, etc., everyone needs water.

Also- since the water is ionized wouldn't it make a difference how hard the tap water is going into the ionizer?

Yes, which is why the ORP values can vary a bit. The pH won't vary much, though, as long as there is at least 3 grains of hardness (which pretty much all areas in the US have). Soft water areas can add minerals if needed (not needed in the US). Water softeners usually can adjust the minerals.

I guess it's possible, but the houses tend to have more of an open format. It just seems like it would feel even worse not to let them out and explore.

Ah, I see!

They were pretty much confined to the house this whole summer because in the previous one they got fleas, and also our lady kitty got herself... umm... "roughed up" out late one night.

Oops!

I guess we'll see! I've still got my fingers crossed for some type of super-sweet mass-consciousness-raising event to happen in the next five weeks. But I'm not holding my breath...

Same here!

Heh. One time I actually wrote the quackwatch dude... basically saying the same thing we have been talking about here. I said... hey dude I get it that there are a lot of quacks in the alternative medical field... but um... what about the quacks and charlatans in your own field? Shouldn't you start there?

That sounds like something I would do! Oh wait! have done!

Do you think it is possible to live a long, healthy life without ionized water?

Of course! For many people, depending on their genetics, etc. For some people, maybe not. We had a plumbing problem and had to rely on day-old water for a couple of weeks. I started having just a touch of acid reflux again...horrors! First time that's happened since I got my machine!

For me personally, I would never want to be without my machine. I know my constitution and weaknesses. Unless I moved to Costa Rica and was living on wild, raw fruits and veggies all day long without any stress, maybe...

Also, I wonder... if the body itself sort of functions as an ionizer when everything is working properly.

What would be more accurate is that the water inside fruits and veggies is ionized water. That's why high-fruit raw vegans probably don't need this machine. But for most of us, here's the bottom line: We already try to eat the best foods and take the best supplements. Why drink acidic, oxidizing, pentagonal water when we could be drinking alkaline, antioxidant, hexagonal water?

That's like asking: "why eat canned peas when you can have peas fresh from the garden?"

Sure, some people live their entire lives, healthy and vibrant, eating canned peas! But then, how many people do you know who are truly healthy and vibrant, and don't have a ticking time bomb (cancer) in their body they don't know about?

With 1 in 3 people getting diagnosed with cancer (and that's not counting all the ones who never got diagnosed), and the rampant toxins in our environment, it just doesn't make sense to drink dead water when we can drink electrically charged, antioxidant water.

I can say this because I know from experience how powerful this water is. But to most people, these words are meaningless. It's like saying "eat your fruits and veggies, and exercise!" It means nothing to them, until they get sick.

Have you ever tested the ORP of urine?

Now that is a very odd question. No, that has never entered my mind! Why would I want to? But ok, just for fun, I'll do it and report back to you!

I do test my urine pH regularly.

Yes, and when the promised result doesn't happen, it is almost invariably because they didn't follow the protocol exactly enough. I mean- I get why we have protocols but so many of them are just silly and near impossible for anybody to follow exactly.

True. But the water protocol is very simple. Drink enough of it, and no sodas. 'Enough' is 1/2 ounce per lb. of body weight for a healthy person, and 1 ounce per lb. of body weight for a sick person. Hugely obese people won't reach that, so they just do the best they can. A simple rule of thumb is: Small people 1 gallon per day, large or overweight people 1.5 gallon per day. And drink a pint first thing in the morning before eating or drinking anything else.

That's it. Not anything complicated.

Oh but you're a smart gal, I'm sure you could understand at least a tenth grade chemistry text. Then you will sound super snappy in your presentations!

What a novel idea! Gosh, I think I will! Thank you!

I just came across this article... I didn't make it all the way through without my brain hurting the first time, but it looks rather thorough!

It's 2:20 am so I'll have to save that for tomorrow!

Uh-oh I feel my ego growing so huge it is about to explode!

Careful now! Don't let it depolarize you! haha

But seriously, it was a great exercise for me to get better at explaining. And also- you trusted me enough to at least consider what I was trying to say.

Sure! I usually do consider what others say.

LOL... I know I'm a hard nut to crack. But it's only because I had to sort through so much nonsense floating around the naturopathic community during my educational process. (Remember Johnny, the fruitarian? )

I'm more sold on the benefits of low ORP than high pH when it comes to water.

You are correct. Adding baking soda or coral calcium will raise the pH about a point - yielding about 8.5 if you start with 7.6 purified tap water. Not high enough to do much good, considering the pH chart is a logarithmic scale.

pH is important, but the ORP is what neutralizes free radicals. (Did I mention I got most of my hair color back and fertility returned?)

But wait! It gets even better! Actually, there is a 3rd property that is even more important...or, let's just say it's the key to the other 2. And that is the microclustering. And there is more to that, even. Our machine produces nanoparticles. That's as far as I can go with this line of thought.

But even then, you would still have to convince me why one brand of ionized water is better than another, pH and ORP otherwise being the same.

ORP and pH are worthless if they aren't transported efficiently into the cells. It is the microclustering that gets those properties into the cells. The medically-certified machine has higher wattage and increased surface area, resulting in microclustering of about 80%, as compared to competitors which only have about 20% microclustering, if at all. Some brands don't even mention microclustering at all, or try to downplay it (because they know they don't have it).

We had a lady whose knee pain went away, blood pressure dropped, and she reduced her meds. Then she bought our top competitor. She came back 3 months later, saying her problems all came back and even got worse. She then bought our machine. Happens all the time! The microclustering is that elusive quality that's more difficult to measure outside a lab, but we believe it's why we have people getting off their deathbeds and out of wheelchairs, and they don't.

Competitors typically don't use surgical-grade components, and leach toxic heavy metals into the water once their flimsy mesh plates corrode. And they don't have ISO medical certification or hospital certification...for good reason.

There's lots more...but I would have to continue that part privately.

I'm just a tough sell, in general.

Sell? Who said anything about selling? We're just having a conversation, haha!

Oh, you are more than capable of understanding what I am talking about. And besides, being an ionized water buff AND a student of the Ra Material, it would give you a double benefit!

Aw shucks, well since you put it that way! I guess I'll have to check it out!

Nope- gut bacteria! Although, it might be possible that the majority of the water is absorbed before it gets very far into the digestive tract...

Did you watch the videos I sent you? The MD explains that most of the water doesn't even reach the stomach, much less the gut.

Like the realtors say: location, location, location.

Regarding gut bacteria: terrain, terrain, terrain!

You can keep your things, they've come to take me home.

Bonus points if you tell me you knew those lyrics before looking them up! Are you a lunatic???