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    Poll: Can cancer be cured by average western person with money.
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    11-13-2012, 03:05 PM (This post was last modified: 11-13-2012, 03:12 PM by reeay.)
    Thank you Monica, I'll read thru those resources.

    (11-13-2012, 11:22 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Much of the business of medicine is a direct result of having created a system whereby responsibility for choices made is abdicated by the consumer. That and making things appear as if they are "free" when they really aren't.

    For example, did you know that the cash price for lab tests is often half of what would be billed to insurance for the exact same thing?

    I don't think anything is going to really change until the masses move past the stage of authoritarian value memes. So long as patients are looking for somebody to "tell me what to do" there will be practitioners telling them that X is "the one true way."

    These memes transcend any dualistic characterizations at play. There are both patients and practitioners that subscribe to authoritarianism. And there are both conventional and alternative practitioners that do so.

    There's interestingly a parallel process occurring between how 'the system' works and how we are approaching the issue.

    It's interesting to see how this authoritarian system has it's polar counterpart in the reactionary movements. Now we have both side, that seem like polar opposites, doing exactly the same thing - which is, don't use the other system, they are wrong/we are right. This is not 'balancing' polarities, it's a creation of a catalyst that is maybe related to orange/yellow ray issue or blue/orange/green vMeme.

    Like with the medical system, we also utilize the modernist thinking that the observed is independent of the observer. There appears to be a need to separate ourselves from what we are thinking about, and that creates dichotomies (e.g., victim-perpetrator, powerful-powerless) - this is linear, first tier meme thinking/being.

    From a systemic perspective, there is no separation between observer and observed, and no victim-perpetrator or powerful-powerless. The doctor and patient come together around a problem, and creates their own little system. Within the system, there is reciprocal dynamics of control and power.

    So the powerless, passive patient exercises his/her power in a different way, but is none-the-less exerting his/her power through choices and behaviors related to his/her choice. Power/authority has a circular cause-effect.

    So in thinking about medical establishment, we are not objective observers. We're actually one.. part of the problem. In order to innovate or come to resolution, we have to be able to observe ourselves in how we understand and accept the problem at hand.

    Or else we'll be going on about this problem forever, and just have lots of conflict towards each other :p.
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    Poll about cancer "cure" - by Cyan - 11-07-2012, 07:01 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Guardian - 11-07-2012, 07:46 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Daydreamin - 11-14-2012, 04:37 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-07-2012, 03:18 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by reeay - 11-07-2012, 07:44 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by zenmaster - 11-08-2012, 12:16 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-08-2012, 05:31 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by zenmaster - 11-09-2012, 01:19 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-09-2012, 09:55 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by zenmaster - 11-09-2012, 10:07 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-10-2012, 02:12 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by zenmaster - 11-10-2012, 02:52 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-10-2012, 05:00 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by neutral333 - 11-08-2012, 12:50 AM
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    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by BrownEye - 11-09-2012, 10:11 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Cyan - 11-10-2012, 07:38 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by zenmaster - 11-10-2012, 01:10 PM
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    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Parsons - 11-11-2012, 01:14 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by zenmaster - 11-11-2012, 01:31 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Cyan - 11-11-2012, 07:20 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by reeay - 11-11-2012, 02:32 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by zenmaster - 11-11-2012, 12:36 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-11-2012, 02:08 PM
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    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by reeay - 11-13-2012, 03:13 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-13-2012, 04:15 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Tenet Nosce - 11-13-2012, 11:22 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-13-2012, 02:20 PM
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    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-13-2012, 03:24 PM
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    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-13-2012, 09:38 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-14-2012, 01:52 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Tenet Nosce - 11-14-2012, 11:53 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-14-2012, 02:30 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Tenet Nosce - 11-14-2012, 07:38 PM
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    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Tenet Nosce - 11-15-2012, 02:19 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-15-2012, 04:35 AM
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    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-15-2012, 02:54 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Tenet Nosce - 11-15-2012, 03:48 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-15-2012, 05:46 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by neutral333 - 11-15-2012, 12:52 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by zenmaster - 11-15-2012, 01:43 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Tenet Nosce - 11-15-2012, 03:14 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-15-2012, 03:26 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Oceania - 11-16-2012, 09:13 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-19-2012, 05:48 PM
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