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    Bring4th Bring4th Studies Spiritual Development & Metaphysical Matters Poll about cancer "cure"

    Poll: Can cancer be cured by average western person with money.
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    Yes
    66.67%
    16 66.67%
    No
    33.33%
    8 33.33%
    Total 24 vote(s) 100%
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    Thread: Poll about cancer "cure"


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    11-11-2012, 02:08 PM (This post was last modified: 11-11-2012, 02:42 PM by Monica.)
    (11-11-2012, 12:36 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Predictably, the zealots surface with their handwaving about alternative treatments, ignoring the actual question.

    Calling people names is a violation of guideline #1.

    (11-11-2012, 01:00 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Ever hear of Chemotherapy? It's like you have no idea that cancer can be completely cured. Hundreds of thousands completely cured in the ultimate sense of the word. Yep, with money paid.

    That's despite chemo, not because of it.

    Chemo is the established 'treatment' by the established medical monopoly only, and is considered not only ineffective but deadly dangerous by the alternative health community. To call someone a zealot just because they have a different paradigm about health is extremely rude.

    Even the allopathic medical community doesn't call chemo a 'cure.' They call it a 'treatment' and for every person who healed despite the chemo, there are countless others who got a recurrence, or who died anyway after being poisoned by the chemo. There is abundant evidence that many people actually die from the chemo, not the cancer itself.

    To presuppose chemo is a 'cure' in a discussion about cancer would be akin to presupposing the bible is the authoritative 'word of God' in a discussion about the Creator.

    (11-11-2012, 01:14 AM)Parsons Wrote: Lol, go ahead with chemotherapy if you ever get cancer if you think it will do any good. In reality, it's tantamount to bleeding with leeches in the Middle Ages. The only reason it works on anyone is through the doctor(healer) relationship and the patient's belief the treatment will work (essentially the placebo effect).

    Absolutely!

    And now, even the medical monopoly is forced to admit that chemo actually causes more cancer:

    Chemo Can Actually Cause Cancer

    Quote:Cancer-busting chemotherapy can cause damage to healthy cells which triggers them to secrete a protein that sustains tumor growth and resistance to further treatment, a study said Sunday.
    Researchers in the United States made the "completely unexpected" finding while seeking to explain why cancer cells are so resilient inside the human body when they are easy to kill in the lab.
    They tested the effects of a type of chemotherapy on tissue collected from men with prostate cancer, and found "evidence of DNA damage" in healthy cells after treatment, the scientists wrote in Nature Medicine.
    Chemotherapy works by inhibiting reproduction of fast-dividing cells such as those found in tumors.
    The scientists found that healthy cells damaged by chemotherapy secreted more of a protein called WNT16B which boosts cancer cell survival.
    "The increase in WNT16B was completely unexpected," study co-author Peter Nelson of the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle told AFP.
    The protein was taken up by tumor cells neighboring the damaged cells.
    "WNT16B, when secreted, would interact with nearby tumor cells and cause them to grow, invade, and importantly, resist subsequent therapy," said Nelson.
    In cancer treatment, tumors often respond well initially, followed by rapid regrowth and then resistance to further chemotherapy.
    Rates of tumor cell reproduction have been shown to accelerate between treatments.
    "Our results indicate that damage responses in benign cells ... may directly contribute to enhanced tumor growth kinetics," wrote the team.
    The researchers said they confirmed their findings with breast and ovarian cancer tumours.

    (11-11-2012, 07:20 AM)Cyan Wrote: Actually, Me, specifically, was referring to:

    Good quality organic raw food costs.
    Good quality safe and free housing costs.
    Good quality care (washing, bathing, etc costs).
    Good quality information costs tremendously.
    Good quality doctors/healers, cost.
    etc etc etc.

    The money part isnt the key. The key is the idea of "if you have infinite money, that is to say, access to everything planet wide that you could get, from free /cheap to ultimately expensive /rare. Could you categorically say that assuming the patient isnt "near to death right now" such a patient could be cured. If the best healers/physicians/people of this category exerted all their influence upon that one specific patient...

    I hope that clarifies a bit of what i mean and gets us to stop focusing solely on "chemotherapy and the likes" because its neither here nor there.

    Ah, excellent clarification. The OP didn't assume that cure=chemo.

    The clarification was necessary, because, apparently, some people do assume that cure=chemo. And that's fine. But if we're going to discuss this, it's reasonable to get our terms clearly defined.

    With your explanation, Cyan, I would say catagorically yes.

    Killing Cancer Not People
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    Poll about cancer "cure" - by Cyan - 11-07-2012, 07:01 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Guardian - 11-07-2012, 07:46 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Daydreamin - 11-14-2012, 04:37 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-07-2012, 03:18 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by reeay - 11-07-2012, 07:44 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by zenmaster - 11-08-2012, 12:16 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-08-2012, 05:31 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by zenmaster - 11-09-2012, 01:19 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-09-2012, 09:55 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by zenmaster - 11-09-2012, 10:07 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-10-2012, 02:12 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by zenmaster - 11-10-2012, 02:52 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-10-2012, 05:00 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by neutral333 - 11-08-2012, 12:50 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by neutral333 - 11-08-2012, 02:11 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by BrownEye - 11-09-2012, 10:11 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Cyan - 11-10-2012, 07:38 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by zenmaster - 11-10-2012, 01:10 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by zenmaster - 11-11-2012, 01:00 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Parsons - 11-11-2012, 01:14 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by zenmaster - 11-11-2012, 01:31 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Cyan - 11-11-2012, 07:20 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by reeay - 11-11-2012, 02:32 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by zenmaster - 11-11-2012, 12:36 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-11-2012, 02:08 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by zenmaster - 11-11-2012, 06:28 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by BrownEye - 11-11-2012, 06:41 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by zenmaster - 11-11-2012, 06:46 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by BrownEye - 11-11-2012, 07:17 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-11-2012, 07:21 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-11-2012, 07:09 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by zenmaster - 11-11-2012, 07:20 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Tenet Nosce - 11-12-2012, 02:14 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Parsons - 11-11-2012, 03:37 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Cyan - 11-11-2012, 12:55 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Tenet Nosce - 11-11-2012, 03:12 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Tenet Nosce - 11-11-2012, 04:03 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-11-2012, 04:09 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Tenet Nosce - 11-11-2012, 04:17 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Cyan - 11-11-2012, 04:11 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by zenmaster - 11-11-2012, 07:47 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-11-2012, 07:59 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Patrick - 11-11-2012, 10:15 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by reeay - 11-11-2012, 10:30 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by reeay - 11-12-2012, 12:35 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by zenmaster - 11-12-2012, 09:10 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-12-2012, 09:56 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by reeay - 11-13-2012, 03:13 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-13-2012, 04:15 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Tenet Nosce - 11-13-2012, 11:22 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-13-2012, 02:20 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Goldenratio - 11-12-2012, 06:51 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Conifer16 - 11-12-2012, 07:06 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by reeay - 11-13-2012, 03:05 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-13-2012, 03:24 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Tenet Nosce - 11-13-2012, 03:30 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-13-2012, 09:38 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-14-2012, 01:52 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Tenet Nosce - 11-14-2012, 11:53 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-14-2012, 02:30 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Tenet Nosce - 11-14-2012, 07:38 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer - by Monica - 11-14-2012, 11:09 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Tenet Nosce - 11-15-2012, 02:19 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-15-2012, 04:35 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Tenet Nosce - 11-15-2012, 12:54 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-15-2012, 02:54 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Tenet Nosce - 11-15-2012, 03:48 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-15-2012, 05:46 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by neutral333 - 11-15-2012, 12:52 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by zenmaster - 11-15-2012, 01:43 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Tenet Nosce - 11-15-2012, 03:14 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-15-2012, 03:26 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Oceania - 11-16-2012, 09:13 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 11-19-2012, 05:48 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 01-15-2013, 11:31 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by neutral333 - 01-16-2013, 02:06 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 01-17-2013, 10:15 PM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by zenmaster - 01-19-2013, 10:35 AM
    RE: Poll about cancer "cure" - by Monica - 01-19-2013, 11:28 AM
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