11-06-2012, 01:18 AM
NEver said omnipotence, simply all power in the universe.
Different concepts.
Not to be mean, but at least get what i say right before you start trying to argue against it.
Omnipotency and all power in the universe are so vastly different as concepts that i'm not sure that i can even bother trying to overturn your point when you dont get the starting point right.
Omnipotence creates logical paradoxes (make rock so large you cant lift it) while all power in "the one creation" only referers to every creatures ability to manifest anything they wish at any time they wish. This is simply a re-ordering of the Ra concept of being able to choose any catalyst you wish when you are advanced enough.
To me this is pretty blatantly obvious to mean that we can create anything we want that isnt a logical paradox.
Edit: if you are right then please, break your own illusion and creation by turning into a Cthulhlu beast Simply for my STS amusement because i wish to mislabel what you say to fit my own model. =)
Edit2: It would also be a high infringement on the trees self determination to force it to waste energy that way. But if you want, I can build a glass greenhouse around the tree and have lamps on it thus keeping its leaves throughout the winter. Or I can tell you how to do it (earn some money and do it yourself, you have the means) within the maybe 1-2 weeks before winter and the leaves fall. You have plenty of time for it. That you dont want to do it and go for the easy answer of "whine you do it for me cus i dont believe i have the means to do so" is neither my problem nor my interest. If you dont believe you can do it thats your perogative. I believe i could by shelling out enough energy, firstly in the form of money to build a greenhouse, failing that i would move up incrementally through the neccesary power levels until i find something that would allow the plant to maintain itself. But each consecutive step (launch solar mirrors to reflect more sunlight back onto the surface around that plant) would require a massive increase in the amount of energy spent. That you fail to see how your body plays a part in the process of magic is sad and perhaps not at all unexpected because you speak of "divine design". Which i consider to be always an externalization of the internal power.
Anyway, long story short, i wont harm the tree's desire to be in that place to please you. I would, were I the one that wanted proof, or were I sure the tree would want to experience that. Otherwise i dont go around, in general, playing with physics for the "s***ts and giggles".
Beyond the physical apparatus i could build to maintain the plants leaves. I could step incrementally more into the astral and gain abilities (healing) (manifestation) (catalyst choosing) until i hit something that would work to maintain the tree throughout the winter. Most likely spiritual way to do it would be to gather a small group for the purpose of performing a miracle (100-200) and get them to pitch in on building the glass greenhouse, simply to irritate your certainty that it cant be done.
But I believe I have opened the energy to you, weather(sp) or not you accept it and carry out your part in its activation to manifest the desire you laid out (tree has leaves throughout winter) is up to you. The universe isnt your "giant prostitute". Do your part and witness miracles, dont do your part and talk about miracles.
Edit3: My apologies for flipping at this, but i hope this conveys it better than me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjToVZTqCbw
Different concepts.
Not to be mean, but at least get what i say right before you start trying to argue against it.
Omnipotency and all power in the universe are so vastly different as concepts that i'm not sure that i can even bother trying to overturn your point when you dont get the starting point right.
Omnipotence creates logical paradoxes (make rock so large you cant lift it) while all power in "the one creation" only referers to every creatures ability to manifest anything they wish at any time they wish. This is simply a re-ordering of the Ra concept of being able to choose any catalyst you wish when you are advanced enough.
To me this is pretty blatantly obvious to mean that we can create anything we want that isnt a logical paradox.
Edit: if you are right then please, break your own illusion and creation by turning into a Cthulhlu beast Simply for my STS amusement because i wish to mislabel what you say to fit my own model. =)
Edit2: It would also be a high infringement on the trees self determination to force it to waste energy that way. But if you want, I can build a glass greenhouse around the tree and have lamps on it thus keeping its leaves throughout the winter. Or I can tell you how to do it (earn some money and do it yourself, you have the means) within the maybe 1-2 weeks before winter and the leaves fall. You have plenty of time for it. That you dont want to do it and go for the easy answer of "whine you do it for me cus i dont believe i have the means to do so" is neither my problem nor my interest. If you dont believe you can do it thats your perogative. I believe i could by shelling out enough energy, firstly in the form of money to build a greenhouse, failing that i would move up incrementally through the neccesary power levels until i find something that would allow the plant to maintain itself. But each consecutive step (launch solar mirrors to reflect more sunlight back onto the surface around that plant) would require a massive increase in the amount of energy spent. That you fail to see how your body plays a part in the process of magic is sad and perhaps not at all unexpected because you speak of "divine design". Which i consider to be always an externalization of the internal power.
Anyway, long story short, i wont harm the tree's desire to be in that place to please you. I would, were I the one that wanted proof, or were I sure the tree would want to experience that. Otherwise i dont go around, in general, playing with physics for the "s***ts and giggles".
Beyond the physical apparatus i could build to maintain the plants leaves. I could step incrementally more into the astral and gain abilities (healing) (manifestation) (catalyst choosing) until i hit something that would work to maintain the tree throughout the winter. Most likely spiritual way to do it would be to gather a small group for the purpose of performing a miracle (100-200) and get them to pitch in on building the glass greenhouse, simply to irritate your certainty that it cant be done.
But I believe I have opened the energy to you, weather(sp) or not you accept it and carry out your part in its activation to manifest the desire you laid out (tree has leaves throughout winter) is up to you. The universe isnt your "giant prostitute". Do your part and witness miracles, dont do your part and talk about miracles.
Edit3: My apologies for flipping at this, but i hope this conveys it better than me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjToVZTqCbw
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