What is everyone's gut feeling on 2012?

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I dont worry myself much with any date. Trying to heal the Earth while being here and if I need to come back here....that is what I will do. I believe to move on to another density I will have to 'die' in this body.

I feel the things that people are looking for to happen with the date of 2012 are really happening right now and will be happening. I think its more that now is a time of choice....we can see many many people seeking this 'choice' of what they feel they need to do.

I think its a great time to be here on Earth! I feel honored to be here in the ''now".

I do think that at death...we will have a 'overview' and will relearn anything that we have 'forgotten'. If Earth is still needing healing and guidance...I have made the choice already to come back here rather then moving 'on' somewhere else. Does that mean I choose to come back to 3D? Im not sure...I just want to be where I can serve my other selves that are in need.

I think focusing on a date can cause someone stress and fear. I dont think that focusing on a 'date' allows us to fully live in the now. I worry that people will be disappointed if 2012 comes and goes and we are all still here. I also feel that if a being is worried about their 'own' ascension....this may distract them from really being service to others. Therefor....I choose not to worry about my own ascensions......but everyone elses progress of service to others and how I can show others that this way of life is the base of love for the truest self.

Mabey I dont worry about a date to protect my own mentality. Not sure.

Much love,
Lynette

What a relieI just don't want to think about that (time is 22.44) date any more. I just realized how extremely stressed out i've been feeling over this "end-date" and ascension. Thankyou Lynette

[litllady]

[Life]

I dont worry myself much with any date. Trying to heal the Earth while being here and if I need to come back here....that is what I will do. I believe to move on to another density I will have to 'die' in this body.

I feel the things that people are looking for to happen with the date of 2012 are really happening right now and will be happening. I think its more that now is a time of choice....we can see many many people seeking this 'choice' of what they feel they need to do.

I think its a great time to be here on Earth! I feel honored to be here in the ''now".

I do think that at death...we will have a 'overview' and will relearn anything that we have 'forgotten'. If Earth is still needing healing and guidance...I have made the choice already to come back here rather then moving 'on' somewhere else. Does that mean I choose to come back to 3D? Im not sure...I just want to be where I can serve my other selves that are in need.

I think focusing on a date can cause someone stress and fear. I dont think that focusing on a 'date' allows us to fully live in the now. I worry that people will be disappointed if 2012 comes and goes and we are all still here. I also feel that if a being is worried about their 'own' ascension....this may distract them from really being service to others. Therefor....I choose not to worry about my own ascensions......but everyone elses progress of service to others and how I can show others that this way of life is the base of love for the truest self.

Mabey I dont worry about a date to protect my own mentality. Not sure.

Much love,
Lynette

Hi ...
I recall that Ra has said that the time of transition is a little bit like a human giving birth in terms of the timing. It may be a bit early or a bit late but it will happen when the time is right.
Love to you ...

[ayadew]

What a relieI just don't want to think about that (time is 22.44) date any more. I just realized how extremely stressed out i've been feeling over this "end-date" and ascension. Thankyou Lynette

A q'uote to light your path!

May each wanderer find comfort in the knowledge that it cannot help
contributing positively to the planetary vibration. Even with what
seems to be gross mismanagement of time and energy, yet still in that
very basic alienated mindset there dwells that vibration which is fuller
with light. This very alienation is simply a surface symptom of a deep
and spiritual gift. Comfort yourself when the heart is heavy and the
feelings bruised with the knowledge that you are being of service. You
are doing that which you came to do. You may find ways to do it better,
but you are not failing no matter what it seems like.

If you are too weary to move on, if that is the sense that you get at this
point, then we say to you: lighten the load. Remove expectations from
your own self and allow yourself to play, to be as the daisies that dance
upon the wind, carefree and blameless. You do not have to learn today.
You do not have to work today. You have to do only that which is in
your heart to do.

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What a relieI just don't want to think about that (time is 22.44) date any more. I just realized how extremely stressed out i've been feeling over this "end-date" and ascension. Thankyou Lynette

A q'uote to light your path!

May each wanderer find comfort in the knowledge that it cannot help
contributing positively to the planetary vibration. Even with what
seems to be gross mismanagement of time and energy, yet still in that
very basic alienated mindset there dwells that vibration which is fuller
with light. This very alienation is simply a surface symptom of a deep
and spiritual gift. Comfort yourself when the heart is heavy and the
feelings bruised with the knowledge that you are being of service. You
are doing that which you came to do. You may find ways to do it better,
but you are not failing no matter what it seems like.

If you are too weary to move on, if that is the sense that you get at this
point, then we say to you: lighten the load. Remove expectations from
your own self and allow yourself to play, to be as the daisies that dance
upon the wind, carefree and blameless. You do not have to learn today.
You do not have to work today. You have to do only that which is in
your heart to do.

Hej ayadew!

A post from Sweden makes me feel even more welcomed here! I know
i have this tendency to interact with the forummembers as they were my shrink and why not? Just tell me in a loving way if you guys find it disturbing

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[ayadew]

We live in the same city transiten, let us meet... I will PM you - check "my dashboard" on the top of the site

[Life]

We live in the same city transiten, let us meet... I will PM you - check "my dashboard" on the top of the site

What a happy co-incidence. Enjoy! I was born in Denmark but grew up and live in Canada.

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We live in the same city transiten, let us meet... I will PM you - check "my dashboard" on the top of the site

What a happy co-incidence. Enjoy! I was born in Denmark but grew up and live in Canada.

Hi Life!

My astrocartographic paradiselines run through Vancouver in Canada which means i would probably be better off over there than here, but i had some karmic reasons to choose the one's that run through Gothenburg Sweden i presume...My cousin lives in Nanaimo on Vancouver Island

Liliane

[norral]

and 4th density coexisting with 3rd density. im not clear what the earth will
look like if we have 4th density and 3rd density living together for 100 to 300 years. will there still be wars, sickness, decay etc all of the stuff that
makes 3d so miserable for us. what will be the thrust of the planet will we still have an elite who control the masses. i guess what im saying is does
suffering come to and end in 2012 ? or is it that the 4d quality of love and
service to others wil be the one calling the shots and the direction of society. im confused i dont see how the two can coexist

thanks for your help

norral

[Questioner]

Norral, there are already active discussion threads about 2012 in The Harvest forum. Have you had a chance to look at what people have already presented in those discussions?

[norral]

ill take a look over there and see what i can find
thanks

norral

[gharghur]

Hi Norral,
The transition from 3D to 4D has been underway for a few decades. The date 2012 marks the time when third density beings will no longer be allowed to manifest into new bodily lifeforms on earth. All third density beings will need to manifest on other planets to experience the physical realm.
The transition from 3D to 4D for those of us one this planet is a gradual phasing out of the old lower vibration and phasing into the higher vibration. It's a gradual process just as the seasons of the year gradually shift from one to another.
Fourth density lifeforms still find the need for physical confrontation. So as the transition unfolds wars can not be ruled out. Gradually this planet will become a positive 4D planet as the sub-logi Sun is biased toward compassion. But still physical confrontations with outside forces can not be ruled out either.
Sickness and decay will gradually diminish because one of the traits of fourth density beings is the ability transform particles into any physical form desired. Also 4D entities eventually inhabit a higher frequency and more dense bodily form, not subject to the decay and sicknesses of 3D.
Those that consider themselves the elite will still be with us after 2012. This planet will not be rid of them until they leave their physical forms. This will take a few generations. The more positive the earth becomes the less need there will be for the opposite polarity.
Fourth density positive is of love and compassion towards all. Having made the choice of the positive or negative polarity in third density, only those that have chosen positive will incarnate on this planet. The fourth density negatives will incarnate on a 4D negative planet.

hope this helps,
namaste

[Peregrinus]

perception perception perception

This is ghargur's perception, vastly different than mine.

Every mind/body/spirit complex I speak to has their own perception of what will transpire.

My best advice... read read read and decide what resonates with you, for if you are still here or not, your reality, whether here on earth or elsewhere, will be your of your own choice and making.

[Ashim]

I offer my own personal thoughts as a message of hope and Universal Love. Again, just my own "take" on the situation.
I believe we are witness at this moment to the retreat of the negative power elite. The Social Memory Complex Lucifer is creating a 4D negative earth, striving for a minimum of 95% polarity STS. The Family has been betrayed, their goal of world domination stopped in its tracks. Karma is being played out at a high rate as novelty increases to infinity. The White Knights have performed excellent Service. At the moment we are coexisting with the STS crowd in 3D but our paths will not cross.
The Hades Cauldron will be fired up. Polarity split. They are on their negative timeline.
We are on the positive 4D Terra timeline. We, together with the help of our Galactic Brothers and Sisters have managed to raise the frequency of Mother Gaia to enable the activation of the 4D Planetary Grid. Our Social Memory Complex Yahweh has been formed. Ye are gods. Earth changes are happening, but will not be as severe as once thought. Compassion for the victims of these events will charge the Grid. There will be a mass Calling. Our Galactic Families will be showing up. The earth changes will cease. Some of the inhabitants of inner earth will make themselves known to us. There will be an excellent party. Nesara will be announced. The true nature of our relationship to our Infinite Creator will become known to our peoples. Ascension into the Light Body. Conscious Creation of positive intent on a planetary scale. Crystals. The shackles placed upon us shall be no more. On Terra we will once again be the child at play. It will be one beautiful and never ending moment of rejoicing in the Love and Light of our Infinite Creator.

[ayadew]

All entities say different things.
All people say different things.
The future is not a constant, only a probability, and it is changed by our own will.
Things will happen when they should

[Aaron]

I really don't think anybody can say for sure what will happen. No-one can predict the future with 100% certainty. My opinion is that there will be karmic equaling (manifestations of negativity in the form of natural disasters and such) as all debts are paid off so to speak. The "bad" end of the human spectrum will just slide out of sight (probably not instantly) and the "good" end of the human spectrum will be allowed to fill the entire earth and eventually, Jesus' "Kingdom of Heaven" will be realized here.

In my interactions with others, I am allowing the manifestation of love and compassion to occur as an awakening gift to all. It's kind of like a gentle nudge to them and saying "Are you ready to wake up yet? No? How about now? No? I'll try just a little later then."

I live each day truly excited for the movement to Christ-consciousness which is already happening. This excitement for our new planetary state of consciousness is shown to others with calm presence and loving actions. I think this alone is enough to wake the world. All that is needed is enough people waking up into a "natural" state of consciousness, and the rest will "get it".

[Sirius]

Is thier a Spiritual/Metaphysical significance of the LHC in regards to "ascension"?

Love and light,
Happy new year everybody at Bring4th!
X

[kristy1111]

perception perception perception

This is ghargur's perception, vastly different than mine.

Every mind/body/spirit complex I speak to has their own perception of what will transpire.

My best advice... read read read and decide what resonates with you, for if you are still here or not, your reality, whether here on earth or elsewhere, will be your of your own choice and making.

***So it's not set in stone, but rather whatever we, as individuals, decide we want it to be, that's what it will be? Is that what you are saying? So every person will create their own reality? So I could say that I want 4D to be full of people who never get sick, have no wars, have lots of love, can create instantly with a thought, can fly, can read minds...whatever I want, and it will be so? And on the other hand, others can create with their fears and have a planet with wars and pestilence and famine and disagreements and greed? Thanks for helping...

[Peregrinus]

Oh there are things set in stone to be sure. No war, no poverty, no sickness, 90,000 year lifetimes, telepathy, seeing everyone else's true light, no money, manifestation of food, and about half way through the fourth is when the social complex forms, and harmony... once the social complex forms, true harmony in thought and deed, and all the time study into overwhelming and unconditional love, full active service to others...

[kristy1111]

Oh there are things set in stone to be sure. No war, no poverty, no sickness, 90,000 year lifetimes, telepathy, seeing everyone else's true light, no money, manifestation of food, and about half way through the fourth is when the social complex forms, and harmony... once the social complex forms, true harmony in thought and deed, and all the time study into overwhelming and unconditional love, full active service to others...

Is this what LOO teaches? (haven't gotten that far yet...I'm doing it with a fine tooth comb so as not to miss anything). What you have described sounds like absolute bliss - after all of this pain we've all suffered. What a school it's all been! So, when we begin 4D, do we begin it as who we are now? Like will I start 4D as Kristy - only a more "enlightened" version, and look like me, etc.? Or will Kristy be history? If so, will I remember Kristy? I think that if we lose who we are now, I feel a bit (okay...a LOT) sad because my two youngest children are still very young (age 8 and 5 little girls, the other two are age 29 and 17).

You say a life span is 90,000 years...are you saying that all lives will last that long, or are there variances like here in 3D? Is dead in 4D painful or scary or have the possibility of horror like it does here on 3D? Or do we just say, "Okay, I'm done. Off I go to start another one."

[Peregrinus]

Is this what LOO teaches?

Yes, this is from the LOO. Ra does not say what is, but said they could approximate what is not. I have translated to our perspective. I could quote the specifics if you desire so, but I suggest that one should read the entire set prior to going into the study of specifics.

So, when we begin 4D, do we begin it as who we are now?

Who we are now? Who is that? This physical vehicle and vibratory sound complex you perceive yourself to be is an illusion, a pretty costume, as it were. Upon cessation of your physical vehicle, you will be who you are, a most beautiful and wondrous spirit.

My personal understanding and belief is that all 3rd density physical vehicles will be terminated prior to ascension, but it may be possible that those that have already attained ascension and have incarnated here for the harvest may remain, though the third density vehicles will be of no use in 4D and might simply phase away. It has also been suggested to me, from someone who I respect deeply and knows all of the channelled materials very well, that any which have made the choice and are open to remaining for 4D might also have their DNA reprogrammed so that they too may remain. In all honesty, no one knows for sure, and our elders do not think it significant enough to tell us if the understood process (as per my belief) has been changed.

Like will I start 4D as Kristy - only a more "enlightened" version, and look like me, etc.? Or will Kristy be history? If so, will I remember Kristy? I think that if we lose who we are now, I feel a bit (okay...a LOT) sad because my two youngest children are still very young (age 8 and 5 little girls, the other two are age 29 and 17).

You will remember what was important from your many hundreds of lives, and what was unimportant will be forgotten. In 4D, what you will look like will be up to you, as that will be your manifested choice. Physical looks are of unimportance in 4D though, for what is important is the soul, and that is open for all to see. 4D will have families to be sure, and children will be a continuing part of the joy and love, only on a much more personal level. New children will be brought about in the same method as the 3rd. In the 6th density physical relations are replaced by what we might think of as fusion.

You say a life span is 90,000 years...are you saying that all lives will last that long, or are there variances like here in 3D? Is dead in 4D painful or scary or have the possibility of horror like it does here on 3D? Or do we just say, "Okay, I'm done. Off I go to start another one."

The end of life will not be a fearful event, for the understanding of unity with the One Creator is part of 4D. The reason for this death of the physical vehicle is explained by Ra that the body will simply become weary after such a period of time. Yes, all lives will be approximately this long. Think "This has been a wonderful car, but it is simply worn out. Time for a new shiny one!"

[Ashim]

Is thier a Spiritual/Metaphysical significance of the LHC in regards to "ascension"?

Love and light,
Happy new year everybody at Bring4th!
X

Hi Sirius,

ascension, I believe is a self actuated process. The L(ucifers) H(ades) C(auldron) will create the wormhole to jump to the negative 4D Earth. I see it as the opening of a new timeline.

L&L

[irpsit]

Completely agree with what you said.
The transition will be very gradual. There is NO NEED to create higher expectations of the world, the world will be very similar after 2012.

Hi Norral,
The transition from 3D to 4D has been underway for a few decades. The date 2012 marks the time when third density beings will no longer be allowed to manifest into new bodily lifeforms on earth. All third density beings will need to manifest on other planets to experience the physical realm.
The transition from 3D to 4D for those of us one this planet is a gradual phasing out of the old lower vibration and phasing into the higher vibration. It's a gradual process just as the seasons of the year gradually shift from one to another.
Fourth density lifeforms still find the need for physical confrontation. So as the transition unfolds wars can not be ruled out. Gradually this planet will become a positive 4D planet as the sub-logi Sun is biased toward compassion. But still physical confrontations with outside forces can not be ruled out either.
Sickness and decay will gradually diminish because one of the traits of fourth density beings is the ability transform particles into any physical form desired. Also 4D entities eventually inhabit a higher frequency and more dense bodily form, not subject to the decay and sicknesses of 3D.
Those that consider themselves the elite will still be with us after 2012. This planet will not be rid of them until they leave their physical forms. This will take a few generations. The more positive the earth becomes the less need there will be for the opposite polarity.
Fourth density positive is of love and compassion towards all. Having made the choice of the positive or negative polarity in third density, only those that have chosen positive will incarnate on this planet. The fourth density negatives will incarnate on a 4D negative planet.

hope this helps,
namaste

[gharghur]

Our experiences in the 3D to 4D transition will not all be the same.
We are spiritual entities experiencing a physical lifeform.
In essence we are more powerful than we have ever dreamed.
Yet, these powers remain dormant because we do not yet possess the wisdom, while in physical form, to put them to proper use.
Each of you will create your own experiences in the upcoming transition.
This is what we do, create.
My post above suggests what the average experience will be by the average lifeform.
Some of you expect perilous times, others a gradual transition.
You will all get what you expect because you will create it for yourselves.
You are the creators of your experiences.
namaste

[Ashim]

Bless the spark of Divinity in us all

[Questioner]

I have gratitude for all perceptions thoughtfully shared about this subject of 2012. So far, neither my mind nor my intuition provides me anything definite to go on about this subject. I find it intriguing to explore the variety of ways that others think and feel about it.

[litllady]

Another day, another step forward, another moment in time....that is all I see for 2012. Im a firm believer that one must die a physical death before making a transition. I also dont think we will gain any super powers any time soon. I think the laws for this world will remain for a long long time still. As much as I dont believe in 2012 having significance....I find I am in very good company with those that await it for what ever reasons. Predicted dates cause us to not focus on today. Its not healthy in my opinion for anyone. Just go with the flow, be thankful every day and give reverence every day to what sustains your life (which is just other forms of life, sun, water, air, people, pets, vegtables, fruits ect....) and God or higher self...if you wish too.

But just giving opinions...I dont claim it as a fact.

Be well, Be love
Lynette

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Hi all you sceptics out there

Yesterday i reconnected whin an old friend of mine. We've had a lot of contact earler ans the contact never ceased, but yesterday she told me of her trip to Peru and the amazing things she experienced in a schamanic healingprocess with ayahuasca. She was cured form a problem with excessive bleeding from her uterus every month. After this cleansing process her menstruations are totally normal.

Apart from that she has opened up tremendoulsy personally and spiritually! I now can talk to her about everything discussed here and on DC, she doesn't even protest as i'm talking about astrology..not that she was not interested, but she always objected in spite of her rudimentary knowings of this divinatory art. Not that i mean it's not OK to have diverging opinions, but her objections mostly came out of a loss of knowledge about whatat she was objecting against.

We were joking some about the "rapture" etc. I mean apart from all the theories, how is this shift going to happen in REALITY?

Pple left on 3D Earth: -Woops! Where did these guys suddenly disappear

Will the bodies of the raptured be left on the ground or wherever they might be at the time? Or will they dematerialize into thin air? etc...

Any ideas? transiten

[Peregrinus]

We were joking some about the "rapture" etc. I mean apart from all the theories, how is this shift going to happen in REALITY?

Pple left on 3D Earth: -Woops! Where did these guys suddenly disappear

Will the bodies of the raptured be left on the ground or wherever they might be at the time? Or will they dematerialize into thin air? etc...

Any ideas? transiten

Hi transiten,

Watch this video. In it you will see structure of form change due to frequency which affects the vibration. When one form ends, another begins. So I believe it will be for 3D to 4D.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOMiowrff0Y

[creationist]

how about when the time comes, everyone gets to choose their "exit" method. Anything you can imagine at all! Getting zapped by an alien death ray, turning into a bird and flying away, getting transported away by Enterprise, spontaneous human combustion, generating a micro blackhole somewhere and sucking people in, slow dematerialization over the course of weeks...