Higher Being

[Shin'Ar]

Does the Ra material teach that the human is designed to evolve into a being of light, transcending from the form of flesh into a form that is not of the flesh?

[Oceania]

did they say something about going from chemical to electric?

[native]

Does the Ra material teach that the human is designed to evolve into a being of light, transcending from the form of flesh into a form that is not of the flesh?

Yeah, but not in the way you always propose. It's a developmental process that begins with the entrance into 4d, which is transcendence of this illusion.

It was said that in 6d, you become light itself.

[Ali Quadir]

Hey folks!

I would suggest that there is no such thing as a change from flesh to light. Instead that we start to understand that our flesh is light. So that we may begin to impose other limitations on it.

We have always been beings of light. We may not have the local perception of ourselves that allows us to see ourselves as beings of light right now. We have confined ourselves to this perception of self we call reality.

However, we're not really restricted. Many temporarily lift the restrictions we place on self. We were not designed to be anything. We are a being of light, who is expressing itself as creatures of flesh with a limited understanding. Our position is the logical consequence our imagination.

We are higher beings... What this time is about is the rediscovery of this fact.

[Steppingfeet]

Does the Ra material teach that the human is designed to evolve into a being of light, transcending from the form of flesh into a form that is not of the flesh?

Man I wish I could remember one of those humorous Ra lines where they say Don is basically correct but could improve on his wording. : )

(This is not to imply that I have the best wording.)

Shin'Ar, Ra says that, yes, the chemical, yellow-ray body, or as you say the "form of the flesh", is activated upon entrance into third density, and re-activated in each successive reincarnation, and will be deactivated (I guess would be one term) upon the completion of third density. From that point forward, the entity will inhabit bodies of increasingly dense light.

However I suspect that your question pertains to the possibility of assuming a higher-ray body within the third density experience itself. That I believe is possible, but I'm not sure that Ra spoke to it, though I could be mistaken.

In my limited understanding, self-realized beings in third density all lived out their incarnation in the corporeal encasing, releasing the yellow-ray chemical complex body only upon cessation of the incarnation. Their awareness may have transcended the body, they may have even "walked the universe with unfettered tread", but their physical bodies persisted until they perished as a result of the necessities of the third-density experience.

And Ali Quadir, WELCOME BACK!

= ) Gary

[Shin'Ar]

Thank you all for your help.

I have not familiarized myself with details of the Ra material, and thus I am to blame myself for the confusion I have found here. It seems that there is great difference between what you know as the Law of One, and that which I know as the Law of One.

Although some here would agree on the aspect of the All being One Consciousness, there seems to be a great deal of focus on Ra's teachings about color and density. And somewhere within that emphasis there develops a great difference between our understandings of Intelligent Design and Divine process. One truth you should All remember is that every being relates opinion and within that can be error as with any other opinion. All teachings are afflicted with this and it is the obligation of the true wanderer or seeker to discern what seems wrong as much as what seems right. This channeled material may have much truth, but there is no reason to believe that it may not be subject to some error as well. Ra is the channeled information from another group of beings. Error and confusion is as possible there as anywhere else. It is also subject to our own inability to accurately translate and interpret.

You seem to view reincarnation and the flesh as a natural part of the human experience and an aspect that you intentionally choose to develop and enjoy. We, the Children of the Law of One, are more inclined to follow the teachings of Thoth and our ancient philosophies that tell us that reincarnation is a darkness imposed upon us and a cycle from which we must escape by discovering the divine within us, thereby casting off the flesh and the need to reincarnate.

Therefore I will leave you to your Ra material and wish you wisdom and revelation. I have mistakenly assumed that the Law of One was unique, but as with many things it has also been spread abroad. I am not sure that this global communication is always a good thing. We have enemies of our teaching, and although I have not studied the Ra Material and therefore cannot say what your group may or may not be. However, I do see teaching here that I know to be not of the Light, and so I would not want to intrude where my thoughts would not be welcomed or may cause agitation to you. I now realize why I had been brought here, and it was not to bring Light, but to become aware of a particular dark enemy that does reside here whom I will not name, but will evade at all cost. Beware the Son of Belial that walks among you. You must discern that one for yourselves for they are masters of infiltration, deception and seduction.

Harmony and Unselfish Love to you All,

Namaste

[Ali Quadir]

Thanks Gary...

@Shin'Ar
I don't speak from the Ra material. If I would try I would merely impose my interpretations upon it.

I understand this "imposed darkness" like the flesh to be part of our current collective reality. That which we imposed upon ourselves. To a higher being there are no enemies. There is only truth, and the different interpretations of it. When two interpretations make us appear adversarial this is a distortion. Not an underlying reality. Enemies like flesh express separation and limitation. Self and not self. This I believe to be the basic distortion of human experience.

There are all kinds of myths, for example the biblical fall of man, that refer to this very same principle. And these are all valid ways of perceiving it. The only true measure of a philosophy is in the end the degree to which it helps you cope with life. They're all merely maps.

[Shin'Ar]

Thanks Gary...

@Shin'Ar
I don't speak from the Ra material. If I would try I would merely impose my interpretations upon it.

I understand this "imposed darkness" like the flesh to be part of our current collective reality. That which we imposed upon ourselves. To a higher being there are no enemies. There is only truth, and the different interpretations of it. When two interpretations make us appear adversarial this is a distortion. Not an underlying reality. Enemies like flesh express separation and limitation. Self and not self. This I believe to be the basic distortion of human experience.

There are all kinds of myths, for example the biblical fall of man, that refer to this very same principle. And these are all valid ways of perceiving it. The only true measure of a philosophy is in the end the degree to which it helps you cope with life. They're all merely maps.

We, the Children of the Law of One do not teach that truth has various interpretations. There is truth, and there is that which actually took place. Our enemy teaches that there is no need to be freed from the cycle of darkness. This we know to be a lie; not an interpretation of truth.

[Oldern]

What is darkness?

[Steppingfeet]

Thank you all for your help.

I have not familiarized myself with details of the Ra material, and thus I am to blame myself for the confusion I have found here. It seems that there is great difference between what you know as the Law of One, and that which I know as the Law of One.

Although some here would agree on the aspect of the All being One Consciousness, there seems to be a great deal of focus on Ra's teachings about color and density. And somewhere within that emphasis there develops a great difference between our understandings of Intelligent Design and Divine process. One truth you should All remember is that every being relates opinion and within that can be error as with any other opinion. All teachings are afflicted with this and it is the obligation of the true wanderer or seeker to discern what seems wrong as much as what seems right. This channeled material may have much truth, but there is no reason to believe that it may not be subject to some error as well. Ra is the channeled information from another group of beings. Error and confusion is as possible there as anywhere else. It is also subject to our own inability to accurately translate and interpret.

You seem to view reincarnation and the flesh as a natural part of the human experience and an aspect that you intentionally choose to develop and enjoy. We, the Children of the Law of One, are more inclined to follow the teachings of Thoth and our ancient philosophies that tell us that reincarnation is a darkness imposed upon us and a cycle from which we must escape by discovering the divine within us, thereby casting off the flesh and the need to reincarnate.

Therefore I will leave you to your Ra material and wish you wisdom and revelation. I have mistakenly assumed that the Law of One was unique, but as with many things it has also been spread abroad. I am not sure that this global communication is always a good thing. We have enemies of our teaching, and although I have not studied the Ra Material and therefore cannot say what your group may or may not be. However, I do see teaching here that I know to be not of the Light, and so I would not want to intrude where my thoughts would not be welcomed or may cause agitation to you. I now realize why I had been brought here, and it was not to bring Light, but to become aware of a particular dark enemy that does reside here whom I will not name, but will evade at all cost. Beware the Son of Belial that walks among you. You must discern that one for yourselves for they are masters of infiltration, deception and seduction.

Harmony and Unselfish Love to you All,

Namaste

(GLB note: bolding my own.)

Hello Shin'Ar,

To share your thoughts with respect for other members of the community, to disagree about an idea while loving the author of the idea, is completely welcome here. In fact our goal is not uniformity of thought but disagreement in love. (Disagreement implying a non-alignment of surface-level thoughts, love implying a deeper, more fundamental, and thus more important recognition of the Creator in the other.)

At any rate, if you have your own take on what the Law of One is, or that reincarnation is a "darkness imposed upon us", or that "teachings" here are not what you would define as coming from "the light", okay, great. Like you wrote above:

"One truth you should All remember is that every being relates opinion and within that can be error as with any other opinion. All teachings are afflicted with this and it is the obligation of the true wanderer or seeker to discern what seems wrong as much as what seems right."

I think most of us, more or less, approach the seeking of truth with that humility, with that understanding that our opinions don't encompass or encapsulate or capture ultimate reality, and are limited and distorted, and will evolve as we evolve. Though we all, myself included, certainly and pridefully get stuck on our own opinions, I think most if not all of us have the capacity to step back and recognize the subjective and impermanent nature of our thoughts patterns.

If you would like to share your opinions with the community regarding ultimate truth or relative truth, or whether there is a difference, or what is and is not illusion, and what the role of the human is in the cosmos, and what our relationship to the Creator is, and so on and so forth - this is all great fodder for philosophical discussion and is welcome. You are not, as you mention above, "intruding", or causing "agitation", though you may naturally meet disagreement. To whatever extent I'm able to determine these things, you seem positively oriented, willing to take responsibility, caring, and intent on framing your opinions so as to respect other members of the community. This is paramount, and appreciated. In other words, please feel free to share and participate!

We do however have a basic prerequisite for participation -- that being familiarity with that body of work alternately known as the "Law of One" books or "The Ra Material". Do you have to agree with everything in the Law of One material? Nope. Do you have to uphold it as the representing final truth? Not at all. But, this forum, though it serves many functions, is built first and foremost as a place of shared study and discussion about this particular body of material.

Two places you can read it for free include:
http://www.lawofone.info/
http://www.llresearch.org/library/the_la...e_pdf.aspx

With love/light, Gary : )

[Unbound]

It does more or less describe this process, in about as open-ended terms as possible.

I am curious about your supposed "teachings of Thoth", are these from Thoth the Atlantean, the Hermetica, the Emerald Tablet? Gnostic scriptures? Hermes Thoth Trismegistus?

If you would be willing to take the time, which I would think is reasonable for anyone trying to "bring the Light", I would be interested to see a cross-examination of the Ra material with your own teachings.

[Ali Quadir]

We, the Children of the Law of One do not teach that truth has various interpretations. There is truth, and there is that which actually took place. Our enemy teaches that there is no need to be freed from the cycle of darkness. This we know to be a lie; not an interpretation of truth.

I can't really answer anything to this.. These are your beliefs and I respect those without subscribing to them myself. I humbly submit that often our beliefs shape our worlds... Rather than the other way round..

[Unbound]

I think he is mistaking my concepts. Where there is claim I teach "there is no need to be freed from the cycle of darkness", what I have actually expressed is that the cycle itself is illusory and that it may be left/transcended at any point when the individual has enough awareness of themselves. This is the same as expressed in any other process of enlightenment and transcendence, the only difference is that I give it no urgency in time, and I make no identifications of "evil".

I mean, I've been attempting to work from a view of the collective whole, yes, of course, I would love to have everyone come in to Love and Light and transcend, but I have to respect their own pace they choose to do so. Convincing them this is a "prison" to escape is a forceful, fear-based tactic of acceleration.

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I really am curious about your own teachings in relation to the Ra material, Shin'Ar, it could possibly offer a new perspective from which others may view it as a whole. I am unsure why you seem you imply that you are a "Child of the Law of One", and seeming to suggest that this is not something we all are, do you perhaps take pride in your teachings?

[Ali Quadir]

I understand, thank you for your explanation. I would agree with your assessment about the illusory nature of the cycle. I would even go so far as suggest that none of us is actually caught in it, from the perspective of our higher selves we are exactly where we are meant to be. I am one of those who expects that our daily consciousness will change in the direction of this higher consciousness soon, even sooner if one wishes it. And this is a good thing and a joyous occasion. But there is no need to actually go about rescuing people. They are, on a spiritual level, not in danger. Even the fear based tactics intended to keep people in the cycle are failing. These are merely part of the process. It is a birthing.

[Unbound]

Yes! This is basically the same as my own thoughts, so I am unsure why I am being labeled as a "Son of Belial". When Shin'Ar first came to this forum it was very helpful to me, and others, and opened a new perspective. It was only when there was a perceived discrepency between our "teachings/learnings" that it seems to have come to this. Kind of like when you eat food and enjoy it, but when you find out its ingredients you reject it because they make you uncomfortable.

I suppose we are all mirrors for eachother, and sometimes we see aspects of ourselves in others. I know that is sure true for me with almost everybody I encounter. I can even see very clearly the aspect of myself which Shin'Ar represents within my life, and I have taken much learning from the observance. Whether or not my own offerings of catalyst are utilized positively are up to the individual.

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All I know, is that I know nothing!

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AND actually, on the topic:

Questioner: I would like then to trace the evolution of catalyst upon the mind/body/spirit complexes and how it comes into use and is fully used to create this tuning. I assume that the sub-Logos that formed our tiny part of the creation using the intelligence of the Logos of which it is a part, provides the base catalyst that will act upon mind/body complexes and mind/body/spirit complexes before they have reached a state of development where they can begin to program their own catalyst. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. The sub-Logos offers the catalyst at the lower levels of energy, the first triad; these have to do with the survival of the physical complex. The higher centers gain catalyst from the biases of the mind/body/spirit complex itself in response to all random and directed experiences.

Thus the less developed entity will perceive the catalyst about it in terms of survival of the physical complex with the distortions which are preferred. The more conscious entity being conscious of the catalytic process will begin to transform the catalyst offered by the sub-Logos into catalyst which may act upon the higher energy nexi. Thus the sub-Logos can offer only a basic skeleton, shall we say, of catalyst. The muscles and flesh having to do with the, shall we say, survival of wisdom, love, compassion, and service are brought about by the action of the mind/body/spirit complex on basic catalyst so as to create a more complex catalyst which may in turn be used to form distortions within these higher energy centers.

The more advanced the entity, the more tenuous the connection between the sub-Logos and the perceived catalyst until, finally, all catalyst is chosen, generated, and manufactured by the self, for the self.

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It appears that it is in the Logoic design for basic survival to be in place, which suggests to me that we are not meant to disdain our bodies but to make sure they are adequately taken care of so that we may DO our work.

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Also:

"The one you speak of as Genghis Khan, at present, is incarnate in a physical light body which has the work of disseminating material of thought control to those who are what you may call crusaders. He is, as you would term this entity, a shipping clerk."

So it seems that even the path of Service to Self leads to a "light body", according to Ra. So yes, it would seem Ra expresses that we are in a process through which we learn to transcend the limitations of the flesh, yet it also clearly shows that "flesh" can be light.

[Shin'Ar]

I have great respect for your loving attitude Gary. Your intentions are well meant.

The ancient teachings have been spread throughout many cultures and have been twisted in many ways. Truth however cannot be altered and resides within each of us. Realizing that is a process of discernment and evaluation that takes lifetimes to accomplish. The fortunate ones are able to shorten that cycle. But make no mistake this flesh is not what we are supposed to be. When we realize this we move on to our true being. The struggle to come to this realization will not be done in debate on an internet forum. However it is possible that someone here might have their intuitive eye opened by one small sharing of our fields. They may not even realize it right away but discover it far up the road as a memory and not even be able to recall the planting of it.

Intuition is not an aspect of this physical plane, but of the spiritual. And it can only be sensed by those who have the developed intuitive skill. Vibration is also something that is developed and increased. It is by processes like these that we come to higher understandings, and more often than not the rationale of the human brain is a barrier. The flesh cannot be trusted and so as I rely heavily on intuition, and from what I have heard here so far, this is not a place that resonates with me and my experience and understanding. To attempt to evaluate that which you call the Law of One for the purpose of credibility or comparison would only serve as confusion and opportunity for those here of the Sons of Belial. I would be vulnerable to such confusion and darkness.

The Children of the Law of One have been following it's teachings for thousands of years, and its teachings and guidance are deeply established and secretly hidden throughout the many religions of the world. Sorting out the corruption from the true teaching is realized by those who become Masters and continue to pass on this truth. There is much symbolism and signs of direction on that path and many are lost on it. We have an obligation to guide seekers who follow that path and walk toward the Light. We do not feel any obligation to uncover false teaching because it will always be replaced by others and it also serves as camouflage to protect our secrets.

I thank you anyway for your kind words Gary.

[Unbound]

/shrug

I have asked you for guidance through the knowledge of your path, and you have blatantly denied me. I respect you for your work and knowledge, and hope that you continue to find peace and Light on your path. As all is eventually reconciled, I feel that in time we will understand eachother. Deepest blessings to you, my friend, love and light, adonai.

[BlatzAdict]

You seem to view reincarnation and the flesh as a natural part of the human experience and an aspect that you intentionally choose to develop and enjoy. We, the Children of the Law of One, are more inclined to follow the teachings of Thoth and our ancient philosophies that tell us that reincarnation is a darkness imposed upon us and a cycle from which we must escape by discovering the divine within us, thereby casting off the flesh and the need to reincarnate.
Namaste

reincarnation is not a darkness imposed on us. it is a system that we chose to learn certain lessons.

just like the negative, this is not something to fear, these are our reminders of what issues we need to work on our spiritual path.

[Plenum]

I have asked you for guidance through the knowledge of your path, and you have blatantly denied me.

[Shin'Ar]

Guidance is given out of love for those who seek it, not for the purpose of debating those who do not seek it.

When one begins to follow the path of truth they will find those Masters and guides, for we are everywhere. Those who truly seek shall truly discover and uncover. Those who truly seek after their own ego and opinion will find darkness and continue in it. The key is Unselfish Love. Teachers act solely out of love for the seeker, with no agenda or intention of acquiring a following or teaching their opinion. Many of us would be satisfied with the solace of the monastery. Such love is instantly recognizable. Noone is denied it, except that they deny themselves.

[Richard]

Wow...I guess I have been gone for awhile.

Welcome back, Ali. Good to see you posting again.

Richard

[Plenum]

Welcome back, Ali. Good to see you posting again.

ditto. You've been gone for more that a year? it's like everyone's decided to come back at once. peace bro.

[Unbound]

I don't understand why it seems to be such an offensive thing that I am curious about your teachings/learnings, Shin'Ar, you seem to be making this in to some kind of warfare. If I am wrong for seeking to gain wider ideas and perspectives, then I'm not sure I want to be right if it means being "secretive" of teachings and concepts.

So I suppose you have no love for me, because I do not fit in to your standard model of progress? Hm...

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Simply, I seek a teacher in everyone I meet, I learn/teach in every moment that is possible. I have other teachers, and indeed I do have connections with certain Masters. I am not interested in debate, I am interested in the widest possible perspective, for I seek Unity, and the integration of opposites.

[Ankh]

Welcome back, Ali! \0/

[Steppingfeet]

---The ancient teachings have been spread throughout many cultures and have been twisted in many ways.

---...and from what I have heard here so far, this is not a place that resonates with me and my experience and understanding. To attempt to evaluate that which you call the Law of One for the purpose of credibility or comparison would only serve as confusion and opportunity for those here of the Sons of Belial. I would be vulnerable to such confusion and darkness.

---The Children of the Law of One have been following it's teachings for thousands of years, and its teachings and guidance are deeply established and secretly hidden throughout the many religions of the world. Sorting out the corruption from the true teaching is realized by those who become Masters and continue to pass on this truth.

---We have an obligation to guide seekers who follow that path and walk toward the Light.

---We do not feel any obligation to uncover false teaching because it will always be replaced by others and it also serves as camouflage to protect our secrets.

---I thank you anyway for your kind words Gary.

Dear Shin'Ar,

There is so much in what you said that I agree with. Many strong and fundamental points of overlap with my philosophy and the shared philosophy of those seekers who make use of this forum.

There are also equally important points of dissonance, the principle and determining one being your stated disinterest in becoming familiar with the Law of One material for participation in the Bring4th Forums.

As you wrote, "this is not a place that resonates with me and my experience and understanding". You also indicate that you consider the Law of One a "false" teaching which, if read, would only serve to confuse and darken you, so you prefer not to. It seems you view the Law of One as a twisting upon an original truth which you and a select group of others are privy to.

In which case I'm sorry to say that - though you are of course entitled to your own opinion - you will find the Bring4th Forums a poor fit for you, especially with regard to Bring4th Guideline numbers two and five.

I really appreciate your honesty, Shin'Ar, and with the kindness you've communicated your point of view. I wish you well on your journey to serve others.

With love/light, Gary

[Unbound]

I appreciate your clear communication, Gary!

[JustLikeYou]

Shin'Ar, thank you for offering perspectives from an alternate tradition. Your words have been very valuable to me, especially concerning the mandorle and the death card. I would have liked to hear your commentary on the rest of the Major Arcana, but what you must do you must do.

For what it's worth, I am just now learning that you have not read the Ra Material. The significant overlap between our traditions is, for me, a more profound sign than the differences that have revealed themselves.

I would also like to comment that my experience tells me that most people who find themselves drawn to the teachings of this particular work are so drawn because of intuition and resonance, not because they are desperate for something to believe in, as so many in religious traditions seem to be. When this work found me, I had no initiation in any esoteric tradition. I was a philosopher who had committed himself to building his own worldview from scratch because nothing else seemed to work. This work provided a framework with an internal coherence that is so profound and yet so simple, that every time I tried to prove Ra wrong in the course of my daily life, I found he was right. I do not cling to this work as a kind of self-identity, I honor it as it has, at every single turn, been a light in the darkness for me.

The Law of One is, of course, that All is One. Therefore, let peace be upon you, brother, for you are me and I am you. May your way be lit and your heart be light.

[Shin'Ar]

Gary, I think you may have misread a post. I have clearly stated that I am not familiar with the Ra Material and would not make judgement upon it one way or the other. I did say that I haver recognized false teaching here in this forum, but have no way of knowing whether it is of the Ra material.

[Oldern]

So read the Law of One, then. It is 100 session, you do not need to read all to grasp what Ra is telling the group. Reading the first 10 or 20 sessions does not take more than an hour or two.

[Shin'Ar]

So read the Law of One, then. It is 100 session, you do not need to read all to grasp what Ra is telling the group. Reading the first 10 or 20 sessions does not take more than an hour or two.

Oldern,

as I stated earlier, I mistakenly assumed that what you profess as The Law of One would be the Law of One which I practise.

The Children of the Law of One follow ancient teachings that are complete and fulfilling without need for any other. Those that come to the Children of the Law of One have done so via a long journey, and what is discovered here negates the need to seek further except to love others unconditionally. All I seek now is opportunities to express Unselfish Love to the benefit of The All.