if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from?

[Steppingfeet]

I have a question for those who think they know which density they're from, particularly those who believe themselves to be from 6D:

Would you like to share how you arrived at that conclusion?

As one who has no clue which D I am from, I genuinely curious how you figured it out.

The only benefit I can see being derived from identifying ones density of origin is to perhaps clarify ones incarnational themes or lessons. A seeker can use the information Ra shared regarding the densities and the lessons therein to better target their own lessons in this incarnation.

Not as directly as one would identifying symptoms and determining diagnosis. But in establishing the general trends of the incarnation and deducing that perhaps there is an overabundance of compassion, or wisdom; or that a balance between the two is needed. Etc.

That said, and recognizing the limited utility/significance of knowing, and proclaiming, a density, I guestimate that my soul's density of origin is the one between five and seven.

Determining that for me involves mostly a process of elimination.

I have the privilege of interacting with others who I would consider "green-ray" individuals, compassion flowing out of their pores in a welcoming, soft, nurturing embrace, accompanied by the tendency towards martyrdom. Though not without compassion/empathy, I don't particularly share this steady access to the open heart with frequent outpouring of heart-centered energy and action.

I also have the privilege of interacting with others who I would consider "blue-ray" individuals, sharp as a tack with immense ability to absorb, digest, and process vast amounts of data. Though not without a decent intellect, I feel I don't possess that magnitude of intellectual brilliance and sharpness of thought.

Which leaves the sixth density, presuming I am indeed a wanderer. Which seems likely, considering that, statistically speaking, a wanderer is most likely to be of sixth-density origin.

That and there's this little family anecdote that my mom likes to break out over family holidays to much guffaws. Apparently my first complete sentence at age two in my high chair at the dinner table was "Where I come from, the polarities are harmonized, the complexities are simplified, and the paradoxes have been resolved."

I mean, how many fourth or fifth-density two-year olds do you know who would say something like that? Exactly.

: ) GLB

PS: The story of speaking like Ra at age two is a joke. I was probably blubbering about mac'n'cheese at that age. Everything else in my post is serious. :-)

[Monica]

I think that superiority/inferiority issue is a biggy in seeking unity, or Law of One, especially in this density where work in consciousness is done and refining/making *the* choice*. So I do not react when people resonating with x density discussing that. You seem to do, based on the concerns you pointed out in your posts. But by saying "why there is a need to publicize it", can be perceived by people, who are seeking, and trying to understand something by these discussions, to keep their opinions for themselves, which is, in imo, not helpful on the path of seeking.

Perhaps a little background might help:

Back when I was a 'junior' moderator over at Divine Cosmos, there was a similar discussion, and I saw it develop into a bit of a contest to see who was the "most advanced."

I personally have zero interest in the topic, as I'm unconcerned about which density I'm from and find the idea of feeling inferior about it rather, well, silly actually. If we could actually know for sure which densities we're from, feeling superior or inferior would be akin to an elder sister feeling superior over her younger sister, or the younger sister feeling inferior just for being younger. That wouldn't happen in a loving family.

But we can't really know for sure, and the fact is that it's easy to slip into attitudes of superiority. I saw it happen over at David Wilcock's forum, so if it could happen there, then we might not be immune to it here.

So my questions and comments were simply to suggest some caution and sensitivity, as I didn't want to see a repeat of that here.

I was speaking in generalities, and not you personally. Sorry for not being clear.

No prob! It's that little word "you" that can carry a personal implication.

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Aha, I asked my Law of One reference guy and he directed me to this quote.

32.9 Questioner: I am assuming we have on Earth today and have had in the past fourth, fifth, and sixth-density Wanderers. As they come into incarnation in the physical of this density for a period as a Wanderer, what types of polarizations with respect to these various rays do they find affecting them?
Ra: I am Ra. I believe I grasp the thrust of your query. Please ask further if this answer is not sufficient.

Fourth density Wanderers, of which there are not many, will tend to choose those entities which seem to be full of love or in need of love. There is the great possibility/probability of entities making errors in judgment due to the compassion with which other-selves are viewed.

The fifth-density Wanderer is one who is not tremendously affected by the stimulus of the various rays of other-self and in its own way offers itself when a need is seen. Such entities are not likely to engage in the, shall we say, custom of your peoples called marriage and are very likely to feel an aversion to childbearing and child-raising due to the awareness of the impropriety of the planetary vibrations relative to the harmonious vibrations of the density of light.

The sixth-density, whose means of propagation you may liken to what you call fusion, is likely to refrain, to a great extent, from the bisexual reproductive programming of the bodily complex and instead seek out those with whom the sexual energy transfer is of the complete fusion nature in so far as this is possible in manifestation in third-density.

I think I know now, but I'll never tell!

[Plenum]

Back when I was a 'junior' moderator over at Divine Cosmos, there was a similar discussion, and I saw it develop into a bit of a contest to see who was the "most advanced."

But we can't really know for sure, and the fact is that it's easy to slip into attitudes of superiority. I saw it happen over at David Wilcock's forum, so if it could happen there, then we might not be immune to it here.

yes we can claim to be this, or aspire to be that, but the proof is in the pudding.

for eg, just as entities interacting here on these forums, we build up a body of work in these posts. Ohers are free to come and in and peruse our thoughts over time; how did we respond to this, how did we interact with this person, how did we react to others' calls for assistance or guidance.

in the end, as Gary pointed out to unity100, the sum of our interactions can be considered in a love/light sense/ratio. We cannot 'fake' who we are over time; it comes out, and everyone does get a sense of your true intentions/character.

so yes, 4d, 5d, or 6d, snamoozles.

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that said, IF you did have a chance to ask, wouldn't you?

45.5 Questioner: Can you say if any of the three of us are of Ra or any of the other groups?

Ra: I am Ra. Yes.

45.6 Questioner: Can you say which of us are of which group?

Ra: I am Ra. No.

45.7 Questioner: Are all of us of one of the groups that you mentioned?

Ra: I am Ra. We shall go to the limits of our attempts to refrain from infringement. Two are a sixth-density origin, one a fifth-density harvestable to sixth but choosing to return as a Wanderer due to a loving association between teacher and student. Thus you three form a greatly cohesive group.

[Ankh]

Perhaps a little background might help:

Back when I was a 'junior' moderator over at Divine Cosmos, there was a similar discussion, and I saw it develop into a bit of a contest to see who was the "most advanced."

Thank you for telling this =)

If we could actually know for sure which densities we're from, feeling superior or inferior would be akin to an elder sister feeling superior over her younger sister, or the younger sister feeling inferior just for being younger. That wouldn't happen in a loving family.

Exactly. This is how I thought in terms of which density one might be from too - as elderly/younger siblings. But sometimes the topic of discussion is not important, but what catalysts/lessons one is experiencing and not seeing/understanding/attempting to learn. This topic could as well be about which engine in what car is the best one, and people, who have not worked through their issues with superiority/inferiority would try to make others to understand that they are right and others wrong, based on whatever (age, gender, profession etc.).

I think I know now, but I'll never tell!

Why? What are you afraid of?

[Monica]

The only benefit I can see being derived from identifying ones density of origin is to perhaps clarify ones incarnational themes or lessons. A seeker can use the information Ra shared regarding the densities and the lessons therein to better target their own lessons in this incarnation.

Not as directly as one would identifying symptoms and determining diagnosis. But in establishing the general trends of the incarnation and deducing that perhaps there is an overabundance of compassion, or wisdom; or that a balance between the two is needed. Etc.

When the info from Ra is analyzed intellectually, there might be a high possibility/probability that a Wanderer of, say, 5D or 6D might erroneously conclude that they are from 4D, if their mission included brushing up on 4D lessons.

A 4D might erroneously conclude they are 5D if they aren't in a marriage relationship.

A 5D might "offer themselves when a need is seen" in such a way that might appear to be 4D.

One who has bypassed commitment and intimacy in favor of pursuing the higher chakras might erroneously conclude they're 6D, when they still have 5D or even 4D lessons yet to learn.

Any number of scenarios are possible. It's difficult to assess, due to the fact that Wanderers may be brushing up on lessons of earlier densities, or they might even be looking ahead to higher densities, such as a newly harvestable 3D might resonate with green ray and look forward to the loving environment of 4D, with passion and vision, that might be mistaken for having come from 4D.

I have the privilege of interacting with others who I would consider "green-ray" individuals, compassion flowing out of their pores in a welcoming, soft, nurturing embrace, accompanied by the tendency towards martyrdom. Though not without compassion/empathy, I don't particularly share this steady access to the open heart with frequent outpouring of heart-centered energy and action.

I agree that that probably rules out 4D for you. But, it doesn't necessarily mean that those "green ray" individuals are 4D. They might be 5D or 6D, brushing up on lessons of wisdom. Or, they might even have taken on the task of demonstrating 4D to the planet's inhabitants, because of a particular mission.

Or, they might have overflowing compassion, along with wisdom, but you just noticed the compassion more than the wisdom.

I also have the privilege of interacting with others who I would consider "blue-ray" individuals, sharp as a tack with immense ability to absorb, digest, and process vast amounts of data.

But many native 3Ds have highly developed intellects, so I don't think that's necessarily an indication of being from 5D.

I've met 3Ds who were "sharp as a tack" yet completely devoid of love, compassion, and wisdom.

While the intellect is a blue ray function, it is the wisdom that is a better indicator of the density of origin, in my understanding.

Though not without a decent intellect, I feel I don't possess that magnitude of intellectual brilliance and sharpness of thought.

Oh I don't know about that.

That and there's this little family anecdote that my mom likes to break out over family holidays to much guffaws. Apparently my first complete sentence at age two in my high chair at the dinner table was "Where I come from, the polarities are harmonized, the complexities are simplified, and the paradoxes have been resolved."

I mean, how many fourth or fifth-density two-year olds do you know who would say something like that? Exactly.

That totally settles it then!

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Exactly. This is how I thought in terms of which density one might be from too - as elderly/younger siblings.

That is an ideal, but in practice, that's not what happened over at DC.

Why? What are you afraid of?

Why do you assume I'm afraid of something?

[Ankh]

Why? What are you afraid of?

Why do you assume I'm afraid of something?

I was joking in my second sentence, but not the first one. ; )

[Monica]

I was joking in my second sentence, but not the first one. ; )

Which sentence is which? You made more than 2 statements.

[Ankh]

Ok. I was joking when I said "What are you afraid of?", but was genuinely curious about "why"? Why don't you want to share?

[Diana]

Human brains want to find patterns, quantify, sort, organize. This tendency has not served us well in separating one race from another, one stratum of society from another, one species from another. We are still rising above these tendencies. If an individual doesn't think he/she is engaged at all anymore with these separating tendencies, and that ego has been transcended, great. But don't fall into the same tendencies with different criteria, seemingly of higher consciousness, whereby one might trade one set of patterns for another for the unconscious purpose of separating again.

It is helpful to be aware of what origins and lessons one might be dealing with in order to make sense of one's life; categorizing to a point might shed light on purpose and direction. Beyond that, we may be just playing with ego and separation.

[Monica]

Human brains want to find patterns, quantify, sort, organize. This tendency has not served us well in separating one race from another, one stratum of society from another, one species from another. We are still rising above these tendencies. If an individual doesn't think he/she is engaged at all anymore with these separating tendencies, and that ego has been transcended, great. But don't fall into the same tendencies with different criteria, seemingly of higher consciousness, whereby one might trade one set of patterns for another for the unconscious purpose of separating again.

It is helpful to be aware of what origins and lessons one might be dealing with in order to make sense of one's life; categorizing to a point might shed light on purpose and direction. Beyond that, we may be just playing with ego and separation.

Well said!

[Liet]

I see as you see it. I'am thinking me and you are very close in progression.
I see lime green as well however.

I think I remember Liet saying this was meaning I had to balance the root chakra. Funnily enough when he first posted it I could see purple as well, Liet said this means I must balance my solar plexus.

Much of my catalyst after that was to do with my solar plexus and funnily enough after a major catalyst as I would call it I felt a big difference in my solar plexus. Surely enough I check the lotus flower and purple had disappeared.

I find my catalyst at this point in time directly relating to my root chakra. I will report when the green is gone. I feel like it may take awhile, longer then balancing my yellow.

Lime is having the heart in perfect balance between its maskuline(yellow) and femenine(green) aspect.

"Purple" could mean a few different things (since the word "purple" can be used for a wide range of shades).. which color shade is it? 13,625 or 14hz? (colors of the frequencies between 14 and 16 cant be seen in the 1k petal lotus, tho if you close your eyes you can see them (if you have them))
13,625 is "above" yelow, 14 is "above" Lime.

Green is "above" the lower back aspect of the root..... just check the chart, cba writing all of them.

If you work your energy body like a blackbody-radiator (like the sun), the above colors will be rooted in the below.. and for that, there have to be slightly more (or equal) of the below... besides, working the below yields the above.

I'm quite sure i never used the word balance, just "strengthen".
The word balance is what you are doing to yourself as a whole, not to a chakra.

Mmmm, catalysts/experiences... They will come about over and over 'till you've learned all there is to learn from them.

Negative (difficult) experiences are due to what you arent (but ultimately want to be).
Positive experiences are due to what you are.

I'm in the process of slowly moving my focus away from becoming more of what i'm not, to experiencing what i am... (which, among other things; probably means meeting someone likeminded)

[Monica]

sometimes the topic of discussion is not important, but what catalysts/lessons one is experiencing and not seeing/understanding/attempting to learn.

I'd say not sometimes, but always. Catalyst is always being offered, to all participants, in every situation.

In this particular case, it's not just about superiority/inferiority. There are other issues as well, that could surface, in such a discussion.

This topic could as well be about which engine in what car is the best one, and people, who have not worked through their issues with superiority/inferiority would try to make others to understand that they are right and others wrong, based on whatever (age, gender, profession etc.).

Not sure what you're getting at here, in the context of this discussion. Can you elaborate?

[Ankh]

I'd say not sometimes, but always. Catalyst is always being offered, to all participants, in every situation.

In this particular case, it's not just about superiority/inferiority. There are other issues as well, that could surface, in such a discussion.

I agree.

This topic could as well be about which engine in what car is the best one, and people, who have not worked through their issues with superiority/inferiority would try to make others to understand that they are right and others wrong, based on whatever (age, gender, profession etc.).

Not sure what you're getting at here, in the context of this discussion. Can you elaborate?

It was a bad example. Never mind that. Was just trying to say that which you said much more eloquent in the above quote. =)

Are you avoiding my question?

[Monica]

Are you avoiding my question?

Yes.

If I were to answer your question, then I'd be doing the very thing I cautioned against.

[BlatzAdict]

I don't know why I'm probably underselling myself, selling myself short.. but I feel I'm from 5D

not quite to unity consciousness and seeing myself as both love of self and love of others as one in the same. but at the same time I know it and i feel that too
does that even make sense? no....

SPIRIT GUIDE U SORT IT OUT.. i'm takin a break...

[Ankh]

Are you avoiding my question?

Yes.

If I were to answer your question, then I'd be doing the very thing I cautioned against.

Oki doki.

(But I swear that I think that I've read in some old post of yours that you stated yourself to be from 5th density. And I don't think that it had something to do with unity, but was something like "btw, I think that I am fifth density Wanderer and then blah blah" about something else. )

[Monica]

This illustrates my previous point:

75.14...
Ra: I am Ra...

...When the entity Jehoshuah [2] decided to return to the location called Jerusalem for the holy days of its people it turned from work mixing love and wisdom and embraced martyrdom which is the work of love without wisdom.

At first glance, Jesus would have been pegged as a 4D Wanderer, because of his compassion and martyrdom. But he wasn't. He was 5D.

It logically follows that a 6D Wanderer might just as easily have chosen a similar mission, and have been similarly mislabeled.

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(But I swear that I think that I've read in some old post of yours that you stated yourself to be from 5th density. And I don't think that it had something to do with unity, but was something like "By the way, I think that I am fifth density Wanderer and then blah blah" about something else. )

Well if you are ready to swear that I said that, then maybe I did. I don't recall it, and it seems unusual to me that I would have casually said something like that, given my lack of interest in trying to guess my home density.

I do remember unity100 telling me at one time he thought I was 5D, because of my 'everlasting blue' as he put it. So maybe I was referring to that...? But he later changed his guess on that, for what it's worth. It was just a guess anyway.

Re-reading the Ra quote today, however, gave me new information.

[abstrktion]

Just my 2 cents, I don't think there's anything wrong with identifying as a wanderer - I just know my own nature enough to know that it would provide for some egotistical thinking if I really identified as such.

GREAT self awareness there Ecz! I don't know about the wanderer stuff really--we are all from "elsewhere" sort of... (I've been told Pleiades for myself...). Anyways, whenever my ego starts to find pleasure in any sort of "specialness", I remember that here, today, I need to go grocery shopping, finish the laundry, fix dinner.... and keep the toilets clean...regardless of which density my essence is existing on!

[Steppingfeet]

When the info from Ra is analyzed intellectually, there might be a high possibility/probability that a Wanderer of, say, 5D or 6D might erroneously conclude that they are from 4D, if their mission included brushing up on 4D lessons.

Oh, absolutely. This example and the others you listed are highly possible. In the shadows, there is *plenty* of room for misapprehension.

The interpretation of the Ra Material in this case, and in all applications of the material, should be rendered so that it helps, rather than hinders, the individual.

I think that's why it's a good idea to go about this lightly without strong attachment to being from one particular density or another.

Any number of scenarios are possible. It's difficult to assess, due to the fact that Wanderers may be brushing up on lessons of earlier densities, or they might even be looking ahead to higher densities, such as a newly harvestable 3D might resonate with green ray and look forward to the loving environment of 4D, with passion and vision, that might be mistaken for having come from 4D.

Absolutely! It *is* difficult to assess, given that wanderer-hood itself is difficult to ascertain for many, much less the density of origin, especially given the paucity of information Ra shared on the matter.

But, it doesn't necessarily mean that those "green ray" individuals are 4D. They might be 5D or 6D, brushing up on lessons of wisdom. Or, they might even have taken on the task of demonstrating 4D to the planet's inhabitants, because of a particular mission.

Or, they might have overflowing compassion, along with wisdom, but you just noticed the compassion more than the wisdom.

Agreed.

My conceptions regarding the profiles of fourth-density, fifth-density, and sixth-density wanderers are really vague and full of ambiguity. Not something I can nail down to clear certainties.

And even if an individual perfectly exemplify the chief characteristics of a particular density, that individual may not even be a wanderers at all. They may just have a native talent for metaphysics. : )

But many native 3Ds have highly developed intellects, so I don't think that's necessarily an indication of being from 5D.

I've met 3Ds who were "sharp as a tack" yet completely devoid of love, compassion, and wisdom.

While the intellect is a blue ray function, it is the wisdom that is a better indicator of the density of origin, in my understanding.

Agreed. I was using intellectual capacity synonymously with wisdom, but, you are right in my opinion -- the two are not equivalents, or synonyms, or even necessarily related.

: ) GLB

[Aureus]

In a way we are all wanderers. Often one thinks of the whole creation as something quite new. Although the timelessness of it all is too much to grab. There comes a time when all labels and concepts must give way to pure experience. Labels should at least be carefully scrutinized. On the screen everyone reads 'wanderer' etc, although we all have attached a unique energy signature to it, dispite having a whole understanding about what it really implies.

I guess what I tried to say is to take everything with a pinch of salt

[Oceania]

i think i'm a chimera spiritually. i'm a dope in many ways, yet i've always had certain wisdom that feels like i should be smarter.

[zenmaster]

This illustrates my previous point:

75.14...
Ra: I am Ra...

...When the entity Jehoshuah [2] decided to return to the location called Jerusalem for the holy days of its people it turned from work mixing love and wisdom and embraced martyrdom which is the work of love without wisdom.

At first glance, Jesus would have been pegged as a 4D Wanderer, because of his compassion and martyrdom. But he wasn't. He was 5D.

Not quite:

Ra: I am Ra. I have made an error. The fourth-density being is that which we intended to say, the highest level of fourth density going into the fifth. This entity could have gone on to the fifth but chose instead to return to third for this particular mission. This entity was of the highest sub-octave of the vibration of love. This is fourth density.

[godwide_void]

Out of curiosity, did anybody contact the fellow I mentioned earlier in this thread?

[Monica]

Not quite:

Ra: I am Ra. I have made an error. The fourth-density being is that which we intended to say, the highest level of fourth density going into the fifth. This entity could have gone on to the fifth but chose instead to return to third for this particular mission. This entity was of the highest sub-octave of the vibration of love. This is fourth density.

Ah, good catch! Thanks for the correction. I remember that now.

It doesn't change the point, however, that Wanderers may be brushing up on lessons of previous densities.

[Diana]

It doesn't change the point, however, that Wanderers may be brushing up on lessons of previous densities.

I can see in my own life, that just being here creates certain setbacks. For one, adolescence. In adolescence, hormones are very insistent and want to take over the vessel for their own purposes.

As a small child, I was aware of two of me: the one playing the game here (and that's how I termed it), and the other real self that was distant, all-knowing, uninvolved yet aware. I would actually watch myself play out dramas that I had no attachment to other than navigating through the scenes.

However, approaching adulthood, I can look back and see how I became more involved with the "player" self. So in adulthood, it was a process of remembering what I knew as a child: my higher self is the real me and the player just a role I took on.

My brain nonetheless became hard-wired with certain programs I picked up along the way. So even if there are no past lessons to brush up on, I can see that just by being here we create for ourselves new challenges because of the density.

[godwide_void]

Not quite:

Ra: I am Ra. I have made an error. The fourth-density being is that which we intended to say, the highest level of fourth density going into the fifth. This entity could have gone on to the fifth but chose instead to return to third for this particular mission. This entity was of the highest sub-octave of the vibration of love. This is fourth density.

Ah, good catch! Thanks for the correction. I remember that now.

It doesn't change the point, however, that Wanderers may be brushing up on lessons of previous densities.

The illusion of separation definitely provides greater opportunities to implement wisdom, compassion, both, etc. and cultivate it when you're unaware that it is all the same being you're interacting with. I'm curious however as to whether a Wanderer (assuming they do nail their goal of refining their lessons in their chosen areas of beingness) simply returns to their original density albeit at a higher point in it, or ascends (again) to 4D and is subject to retracing their steps, or if returning back to this density would cause them to graduate to the next density? (e.g. 3D->4D->5D->3D->6D) Maybe that's an alternative "final lesson" in the higher densities, to attempt to apply all they've learned to a veiled existence.

[Wander-Man]

I felt 'different' as a child, and learning that I might be a Wanderer helped me to better integrate into society, instead of trying to escape.

Wouldn't true integration be integration on equal ground? Instead of having to separate one's self from a society in order to understand it, wouldn't true acceptance of society and self be viewing society as the same as one's self?

I think the idea is to be in the world, but not of it

1 Corinthians 9:19-23
New International Version (NIV)

19 Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. 23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.

[13TreeofLife13]

I'm a little embarrassed by this, but I went through a period of immense interest in psychedelics and their researchers. Rick Strassman, Terrance Mckenna, etc.

Why is that embarrassing?

[Plenum]

Out of curiosity, did anybody contact the fellow I mentioned earlier in this thread?

not yet. What does it feel like when he 'scans you?'

[Ruth]

I think the idea is to be in the world, but not of it

1 Corinthians 9:19-23
New International Version (NIV)

19 Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. 23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.

I was discussing this topic with my brother (a minister) on my way home from shopping just this afternoon.

Nice synchronicity for me to come read this post.

L&L