In regards to eating meat

[3DMonkey]

Here is a hypothetical story that may explain my perspective.

I am sitting with a friend at a restaurant. She orders a hamburger. Now, we already recognize our power to create, our spirit complex, and our direct spiritual ability to lift a 2D to 3D status. If I look at her plate and think 'that meat is tainted spiritual energy from inhumane practices it experienced and ingesting it will harm her body', then I am creating a bad spiritual energy. I, ME, the one with the thoughts. I am the one opening the door for negative thought forms. ME! Not the guy that killed the animal. ME!!!

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Finding the love in the situation is to appreciate the life of the animal, the sacrifice of the animal, the life giving properties of the food on the plate. In that way, positive thought forms will cause the molecules in that dish to sing. Sing!

No matter how much love you project to that burger it can still make your friend suffer the long death of prions. You have no effect on that portion of this illusion. Simply a result of the current system some of us do not agree with. IMO everyone has the right to suicide, but it should be an educated choice.

"killing me softly... with his song.. Telling my whole life with his words... Killing me softly..."

We all die. And, for the millionth time , eating animals isn't something that affects us after that point in time.

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Perhaps you're right as well, though I cannot wrap my head around why somebody would be so concerned about the suffering of animals, meanwhile helpless children get beaten, raped, abducted, and murdered on a daily basis.

Just saying...

To have them in front of us they would be lynched. These types are always hidden in the shadows, only brought to light if they are caught.

In fact, what kind of discussion would take place focusing on one of us that is a molester? I would bet someone would take it upon them self to visit the person in question to purposefully force their point. Not a very good comparison LoL. Folks tend to concern themselves with what they can affect or change. Hard to change what you can not see, hear, or find. Once out in the open we definitely force a change.

Absolutely! Lynch the bageezus out of em. ... I'll just throw it out there- it wouldn't be a positive polarization moment.

[BrownEye]

it wouldn't be a positive polarization moment.

Well, not sure about that. In the transcripts I think it describes that the more polarized, the easier it becomes to switch polarities. So, with the intense emotion that polarizes, it could be reversed depending on how those emotions were processed afterwards. I assume.

[3DMonkey]

Certainly, there's always opportunity. That "flip" involves accepting their actions though.

[Bring4th_Austin]

Perhaps you're right, though I cannot wrap my head around the idea that someone would prefer that their meat suffer.

Perhaps you're right as well, though I cannot wrap my head around why somebody would be so concerned about the suffering of animals, meanwhile helpless children get beaten, raped, abducted, and murdered on a daily basis.

Just saying...

So you're saying that, because children suffer, we should not be concerned about our choices which lead to the suffering of animals?

I whole-heartedly disagree.

Let's say that a company makes money from the beating, raping, abducting, and murdering of children. Would you still support that company? Would it be inappropriate to worry about what that company does because someone else is doing it anyways? Would not supporting that company and supporting them be the same because there is still suffering elsewhere in the world?

[Tenet Nosce]

To have them in front of us they would be lynched. These types are always hidden in the shadows, only brought to light if they are caught.

Go Get 'Em!

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So you're saying that, because children suffer, we should not be concerned about our choices which lead to the suffering of animals?

No. I am saying that if we were to make stopping the inhumane treatment of humans a priority, then stopping the inhumane treatment of animals would be much easier.

Would not supporting that company and supporting them be the same because there is still suffering elsewhere in the world?

Sure. Again, I was not arguing with this. In fact, I would venture to say that the same people whose companies are pushing meat onto society are the very same people who are child abductors and pedophiles.

[Monica]

See. I knew it would get intense.

I'm not being silly because I'm not thinking my purchase will persuade humane practices.

If its about changing the way animals are raised, then raise them how you want and stop focusing on the other guy. I stand behind you on that. On the other hand, I do not stand behind finger pointing because I won't do that.

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[Bring4th_Austin]

So you're saying that, because children suffer, we should not be concerned about our choices which lead to the suffering of animals?

No. I am saying that if we were to make stopping the inhumane treatment of humans a priority, then stopping the inhumane treatment of animals would be much easier.

If we could stop inhumane treatment of humans by our choice to support certain companies, it would be that easy. Stopping the inhumane meat industry IS that easy.

[3DMonkey]

Whatever!!!

I said, "I stand behind you"

Oh man!!! I 'this close' to ACTUALLY breaking the rules.

[Tenet Nosce]

Stopping the inhumane meat industry IS that easy.

Is that so? Then why hasn't it been done yet?

[Bring4th_Austin]

Whatever!!!

I said, "I stand behind you"

Oh man!!! I 'this close' to ACTUALLY breaking the rules.

For the record I'm rather confused by the moderator warning as well

[BrownEye]

@Tenet

I have an aversion to everything you put up there. Always hated sports, politics, and religion. Those were always the forum of the sleeping masses. Hmm, IMO diet is right in there with it all.

[3DMonkey]

Perhaps you're right, though I cannot wrap my head around the idea that someone would prefer that their meat suffer.

Perhaps you're right as well, though I cannot wrap my head around why somebody would be so concerned about the suffering of animals, meanwhile helpless children get beaten, raped, abducted, and murdered on a daily basis.

Just saying...

So you're saying that, because children suffer, we should not be concerned about our choices which lead to the suffering of animals?

I whole-heartedly disagree.

Let's say that a company makes money from the beating, raping, abducting, and murdering of children. Would you still support that company? Would it be inappropriate to worry about what that company does because someone else is doing it anyways? Would not supporting that company and supporting them be the same because there is still suffering elsewhere in the world?

By your definition of "support", I'm certain we all do "support" those things with our purchases.

[Bring4th_Austin]

Stopping the inhumane meat industry IS that easy.

Is that so? Then why hasn't it been done yet?

I think you misunderstood what I was saying.

It hasn't been done yet because people still buy inhumanely raised meat.

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By your definition of "support", I'm certain we all do "support" those things with our purchases.

And I agree. The difference is, the knowledge of which companies mistreat animals is widely known. The choice to buy humanely raised meat is available to nearly everyone.

If there wasn't any other choice, or if the knowledge wasn't there, it would be a different story. But both of those things are available.

[Diana]

Yes, that's very true (unbelievably so). But change seldom happens in one lump. There is a process involved, but the first step is becoming aware of it.

This is most certainly true. I only point out that the shining of the lamp of awareness works within as well as without. There is a fine line to be walked.

I'm not speaking directly to you, but I believe there are many people out there who take up a cause somewhat as a distraction technique. By being so outwardly-focused, they miss opportunities to truly see how the outside world they are so desperately trying to control, is a reflection of what is going on inside.

So... raising awareness is good. But which awareness? What is the most over-arching and non-inflammatory awareness which can be raised?

I agree with all you said. This is the difference: This is a discussion with spiritually seeking persons; in this venue isn't it appropriate to contribute in the spirit of discussing/enlightenment? in the world at large, I answer questions from curious people--only respond when asked; not preach.

[Tenet Nosce]

I have an aversion to everything you put up there. Always hated sports, politics, and religion. Those were always the forum of the sleeping masses. Hmm, IMO diet is right in there with it all.

Agreed. All I am offering is a different strategy. If this world we live in is nothing more than a House of Cards... then which card could one pull to cause the whole thing to come collapsing down?

I would conjecture that if the awakening masses were to throw their efforts en masse toward ending child abuse, then many of these other important issues would follow quite effortlessly.

Or, if one sees the cosmic futility in being "against" something, then I would suggest that the top #1 thing to support would be free energy. Global access to unlimited, clean energy would remove the vast majority of arguments put forth against changing the food system.

[Diana]

Whatever!!!

I said, "I stand behind you"

Oh man!!! I 'this close' to ACTUALLY breaking the rules.

Breaking the rules is your choice and I accept it . But seriously, this is a great discussion. I am getting so many intelligent viewpoints that I wouldn't have thought of. This is very expanding.

[Tenet Nosce]

This is the difference: This is a discussion with spiritually seeking persons; in this venue isn't it appropriate to contribute in the spirit of discussing/enlightenment?

It certainly is! And as I have previously stated, I am quite confident that an increase in awareness will result in a decrease of meat consumption- eventually going to zero meat consumption.

Claiming that a decrease in meat consumption will result in an increase of awareness, however, is a totally different thing. I don't recall you forwarding this particular view, so I mention it only for reference.

[Diana]

Claiming that a decrease in meat consumption will result in an increase of awareness, however, is a totally different thing. I don't recall you forwarding this particular view, so I mention it only for reference.

I did not, but Pickle did. My journey has been different. But I did concur with his experience as I have noticed the parallels between cleaning up the body and clarity/understanding .

[BrownEye]

Claiming that a decrease in meat consumption will result in an increase of awareness, however, is a totally different thing. I don't recall you forwarding this particular view, so I mention it only for reference.

In my case it brought forth a spiritual change. That in turn caused a physical change.

I have since attempted to eat meat. It causes pain now. Very strange to feel such a localized feeling as it traverses the intestines. The pain is in a small focused area, and is felt up high at first, then moves as it travels downwards. Before my changes this sort of pain was general, spread through the whole intestinal area as a dull ache. Now it is almost like I have a more solid awareness of each portion of my body.

[3DMonkey]

I'm feeling pain reading this thread j/k

[BrownEye]

I'm feeling pain reading this thread j/k

Is it localized? Or just a general ache?

[Diana]

Whatever!!!

I said, "I stand behind you"

Oh man!!! I 'this close' to ACTUALLY breaking the rules.

For the record I'm rather confused by the moderator warning as well

This is an emotionally charged issue. I see nothing wrong with that. I personally have no problems with anyone's posts. I welcome all opinions. It's more reacting than attacking. It's all good .

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Stopping the inhumane meat industry IS that easy.

Is that so? Then why hasn't it been done yet?

Need you ask? Even the group here is conflicted. It seems we can't even agree that to buy the inhumanely raised meat is to contribute to its perpetuation.

If every meat-eater went to a slaughterhouse and became aware of the process, then the choice would be an educated aware choice. I'm not saying the choice would be a or b, but it would be an aware choice.

One of the reasons it hasn't been done yet is unconsciousness.

[3DMonkey]

Stopping the inhumane meat industry IS that easy.

Is that so? Then why hasn't it been done yet?

I think you misunderstood what I was saying.

It hasn't been done yet because people still buy inhumanely raised meat.

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By your definition of "support", I'm certain we all do "support" those things with our purchases.

And I agree. The difference is, the knowledge of which companies mistreat animals is widely known. The choice to buy humanely raised meat is available to nearly everyone.

If there wasn't any other choice, or if the knowledge wasn't there, it would be a different story. But both of those things are available.

It's a slippery slope. We are all connected. So, IMO, the best way to proceed is to raise animals your way, and be happy that it is enough. Cuz if you ain't happy, you ain't helping the world's happiness meter.

[Tenet Nosce]

In my case it brought forth a spiritual change. That in turn caused a physical change.

What prompted you to stop eating meat in the first place?

I have since attempted to eat meat. It causes pain now. Very strange to feel such a localized feeling as it traverses the intestines. The pain is in a small focused area, and is felt up high at first, then moves as it travels downwards. Before my changes this sort of pain was general, spread through the whole intestinal area as a dull ache. Now it is almost like I have a more solid awareness of each portion of my body.

I get similar feelings from tortilla chips these days. Also I have found that pork was the first meat to really do a number on my digestive system. Right now I am eating a bowl of homemade chicken soup. All I feel in my belly is love.

[3DMonkey]

Whatever!!!

I said, "I stand behind you"

Oh man!!! I 'this close' to ACTUALLY breaking the rules.

For the record I'm rather confused by the moderator warning as well

This is an emotionally charged issue. I see nothing wrong with that. I personally have no problems with anyone's posts. I welcome all opinions. It's more reacting than attacking. It's all good .

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Stopping the inhumane meat industry IS that easy.

Is that so? Then why hasn't it been done yet?

Need you ask? Even the group here is conflicted. It seems we can't even agree that to buy the inhumanely raised meat is to contribute to its perpetuation.

If every meat-eater went to a slaughterhouse and became aware of the process, then the choice would be an educated aware choice. I'm not saying the choice would be a or b, but it would be an aware choice.

One of the reasons it hasn't been done yet is unconsciousness.

Everyone I know has seen "faces of death". I've seen feed lots. They stink.

Be careful what you ask for. What if you looked around and everyone consciously chose "b", then you'd still need to search within to find that "peace".

[AnthroHeart]

I don't even have to go to the slaughterhouse. I've seen it on tv. My love of animals has pulled me toward vegetarian.
I see it though as a small sacrifice to not eat meat. Only occasionally will I do so now.

[Tenet Nosce]

We are all connected.

Not that you would "believe" in that sort of thing...

[BrownEye]

What prompted you to stop eating meat in the first place?

Arthritis

I get similar feelings from tortilla chips these days

I tried eating organic corn chips a while back. It was like wood chips, it would not digest. It felt like sawdust when I was chewing it. I was sitting there wondering if my perception was different, or if they are just not made the way they used to be.

[Diana]

Be careful what you ask for. What if you looked around and everyone consciously chose "b", then you'd still need to search within to find that "peace".

As a wanderer, I feel I am here to help. Ultimately, I am in this world but not of it. So, in my more lucid moments I am detached from outcomes. And yet, I do wish for suffering to end for all life.

[3DMonkey]

Organic. That was the problem. fritos !