Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods

[native]

Which furthe indicates, IMO, that they didn't predict anything.

Good points, I agree in with some aspects of all of the above. There is certainly something to be said about how we interpret things, and being able to discount or ignore. They also said their words will inevitably be distorted.

I have also contemplated how one must polarize, and being armed with this information, how it affects free will. I see it as a spiritual truth, and if we are honestly seeking it's something that we must learn to accept because it deals with spiritual progression. If it is Ra's purpose to impart spiritual philosophy, we are going to encounter roadblocks if we're not willing to be honest with ourselves. As I see it, the concept of polarization is a direct confrontation with the self. It asks you to evaluate the love and acceptance that is within yourself, and for those who are honest, this can only be beneficial. So I equate the topic of polarization as being synonymous with truth. When the concept is accepted and acknowledged, it becomes a powerful tool doesn't it? It accelerates spiritual growth.

Speaking of someone's fate in this lifetime is entirely different in my opinion. It creates a condition wherein people are no longer living in the moment, but attempting to prepare for the future, in hopes that one has sufficiently done all the right things up until then. Some would ask what's the difference between having to polarize for an instant harvest and polarizing for normal death? That's a valid observation, but I don't think we can equate believing death is right around the corner and polarizing for that, and a change in life approach for the better in general as being equal. One is empowering in general, and the other causes a large amount of anxiety because of uncertainty, and any moment "could be it."

The latter is a violation of free will in my opinion, if Ra is stating it as fact. But they haven't of course, because they have given us enough information to understand the harvest clearly. Any interpretation in between involves influences in our own mind, and is our own doing.

[Oceania]

Ra giving you a massage. that's a sight to see.

[native]

hmmmm?

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Oh I get it.

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Also, I would point out that making this material available for everyone was the decision of the group. Ra's communication was meant for Don, Carla, and Jim, and gave answers in regards to what they were seeking. So it's not as if the concept of polarization was forced on the group, rather, they sought it. They also sought information on the harvest, and if understood correctly, distortion is alleviated.

[3DMonkey]

"When the concept is accepted and acknowledged, it becomes a powerful tool doesn't it? It accelerates spiritual growth."

I think it is just a sense of accomplishment and purpose.


"violating free will" is just an excuse not to answer. Free will cant be violated.

[native]

Yes, polarization isn't a tool in and of itself, it is a response. The knowledge of the workings of it is simply beneficial.

In general I understand your perspective. However I still believe speaking of the harvest in prophetic terms would be a violation.

[3DMonkey]

I just read the material for violation/infringement. Infringement is much more common in the material. My paraphrase of the meaning is that infringement creates a relationship triangle. In other words, when Ra says infringement, they are basically saying 'that's between you two, I'm not getting in the middle of that.'

I still think its bogus. Infringe away, I say. Let's stir it up.

[zenmaster]

this case is not a matter of interpretation or belief.

You say that, but that's surely not the case as most people already understand and accept.

you are basically relegating everything told in the material to a subconscious/abstract/non-impacting status in regard to physical manifestation on this planet.

There are more trivial aspects which may impact physicality, sure. As we know, the "functioning of consciousness is the item of interest rather than the chemical makeup of a physical vehicle."

there is endless amount of information that is directly descriptive of existing situations, conditions, and events in that material, regarding this planet. this range from pyramids, to psychotronic weapons, to ex. u.s. presidents.

And most of this type of information was labeled as transient and unimportant. And of course it is quite a distraction and of little value to evolution. Yet intrigue and fantasy trumps catalyst processing every time it seems as far as perception of relative importance goes.

It's not that difficult. Whatever one perceives important is relevant, others things not. If it finally takes physically-fashioned catalyst to SEE something happen, then something definitely must have been ignored along the way.

i specifically emphasized SEE, so that you wouldnt fall into 'perception' pit again. however, you still did.

the things that i mention in regard to seeing, are not things that people can just ignore or not perceive or perceive in the fashion they please. im not talking about events happening in that country, or this country, or change of attitude in people, this or that. im talking about real phenomenon.

Whatever. We can ignore anything that's unimportant. You can run around telling everyone that their attitudes are changing according to your observation and people can SEE that happening and it's just as valuable to their beingness as it sounds. We can frame what we SEE in any manner we want, and yes it'll still be selectively depicted according to interpretation and belief, as it always was.

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I don't understand either of these "options". If, when one dies during harvest, they qualify for the next vibration, they get a new core vibration. If the transition to the higher vibration is hundreds of years, then they (now, what Ra calls part of the "new breed") probably have only partial use of the abilities afforded to that higher vibration.

thats what you think, because apparently you have forgotten the information about harvest and transition.

apparently...

vibrations are already here. its truecolor green.

Nope, didn't forget that...

the transition that is spoken about, is the transition to a 4d society, with 4d social and vibratory structure, inhabited by 4d bodies that evolved through time. it does not relate to any event during harvest, harvesters, or vibrations.

Not quite. "This causes the planetary sphere to be able to be molded by these new distortions." The vibrations create 4D matter, which is used for (harvested) 4D-vibrating bodies. So yes, it does have to do with harvest after all.

[unity100]

elaborate the reality you are speaking of and i will reply.

I'm with you that there will be shifts in consciousness, changes in abilities, phenomenon, calls to service etc., but it will be gradual. We have lately been in a time of radical social change (there is congruency), but if in 5 years, say there is nothing other than steps towards transparency in politics and equality movements taking shape, what then? According to you, the harvest has to at least happen over a very short period of time. There is no room for 5, 10, or 15 year interpretations and modifications.

thats not according to me. that was what Ra did with fitting the harvest in a year's duration. and the other information regarding cosmic clocks, gateway openings and such.

harvest is an event that seems to happen in the blink of an eye. not so very different than opening the gateway to intelligent infinity while in incarnation. the impact however lasts long.

But more importantly, probably one of the most objective questions people can ask themselves, is how Ra can come and speak of prophecy? Describing the harvest as an end date scenario is a violation of free will. If it really was an "event" in the short-term, they would refuse to comment. Please explain how Ra, according to your interpretation, is allowed to violate free will.

that is wrong. violations of free will always kicked in in occasions that were to affect an individual's personal choices due to answer of the questions which were of personal nature. for things that relate to the spiritual facts, historical facts, even historical secrets that were non-personal, ra had had answered directly. even if the answers were very, very dangerous, like the ufo information they have given. that could have caused government sources to remove ll group from public. in a polite manner of speaking.

harvest information is another event that is independent of the desires and wills of entities on the planet, and it is cosmic/spiritual information. don asked many questions about it, and got many answers, nowhere any hesitations regarding free will was cited, all answered.

no entity is going to just qualify or unqualify for harvest, because s/he is aware of its date or coming. or qualify for it if given extra 10 years or in-qualify if it was 5 years early.

Whatever. We can ignore anything that's unimportant. You can run around telling everyone that their attitudes are changing according to your observation and people can SEE that happening and it's just as valuable to their beingness as it sounds. We can frame what we SEE in any manner we want, and yes it'll still be selectively depicted according to interpretation and belief, as it always w

i am not talking about attitudes. i am not talking about people's 'behavior' changing. i am talking about paranormal phenomenon. i have explicitly expressed it many times, yet you are, for some UNreason, continually revolving your thoughts back to 'changing attitudes'.

Not quite. "This causes the planetary sphere to be able to be molded by these new distortions." The vibrations create 4D matter, which is used for (harvested) 4D-vibrating bodies. So yes, it does have to do with harvest after all.

no, it doesnt. if it did, it should have happened in the first two cycles too. yet, it has not happened. it is NOT relevant to HARVEST. two harvests happened on this planet before any kind of 4d matter or 4d bodies being formed/created. it is relevant to transition to 4d society and plane, from 3d society and plane.

indeed it seems you have forgotten a lot about the harvest information. why not take time to refresh your memory, instead of talking about 'changing attitudes' and 'people making up excuses and perceptions to support their belief' ?

[zenmaster]

Whatever. We can ignore anything that's unimportant. You can run around telling everyone that their attitudes are changing according to your observation and people can SEE that happening and it's just as valuable to their beingness as it sounds. We can frame what we SEE in any manner we want, and yes it'll still be selectively depicted according to interpretation and belief, as it always w

i am not talking about attitudes. i am not talking about people's 'behavior' changing. i am talking about paranormal phenomenon. i have explicitly expressed it many times, yet you are, for some UNreason, continually revolving your thoughts back to 'changing attitudes'.

But you have been, all along.

Not quite. "This causes the planetary sphere to be able to be molded by these new distortions." The vibrations create 4D matter, which is used for (harvested) 4D-vibrating bodies. So yes, it does have to do with harvest after all.

no, it doesnt. if it did, it should have happened in the first two cycles too.

Uh no unity, the first two cycles didn't involve 4D energies instreaming to the planet's 'energy web', now did they.

indeed it seems you have forgotten a lot about the harvest information. why not take time to refresh your memory, instead of talking about 'changing attitudes' and 'people making up excuses and perceptions to support their belief' ?

That what this entire thread has been about....

"1991 - 2011 day - has indeed been a day, ranging from the internet and all the change it brought to early proliferation of spiritual/paranormal literature and philosophies worldwide. with few exceptions of forced, set up, and fizzling negatively oriented actions on the establishment's part."

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noting how greatly previous cycles had affected the society and people, one can easily expect that this cycle will also have effects on individuals, and at large, societies as a result. however, this cycle is most compressed.

one wonders whether people and societies will be able to cope up with this fast change of day/night cycles."

"if you ask me personally, i indeed noticed changes in energies and spiritual situations in first day of this last cycle (9th underworld's first day, starting 9 march, ending 27 march) and its subsequent night. at the crest of the first night, indeed ambient energy was much much lower, and heavier. as of the posting of this post, the night is coming to a close, and i see energies increasing."

"i had had concluded that, the day/night periods coincide with the solar activity. "

"this is basically a situation in between earth and the sun. and its foremost effect is felt in the earthquakes that result from the discrepancy in between frequencies of green spectrum and earth's current societal vibration."

"9 wave indeed seems like a tsunami. leaving all the happenings on the planet aside, my personal experience with these mayan day/night cycles have been stunning. and, i see each night happening to be in a higher state than the previous one in energy. and this seems to be going to escalate as the wave continues, according to mayan calendar.

i noticed other people feeling the wave in different forms, like being quite energetic and positive due to 'unknown reason' (for them) despite being in deep distress due to life circumstances. these people are not aware of harvest concept, mayan calendar, Ra material, and they are not into spiritualism. (yet). "


All the above.. completely transient, subjective information. Basically wish-fulfillment..

Again, my interpretation is that harvest happens after death when one is exposed, in 'naked' manner, in a non-confused state, and ready to assess further incarnational needs. It does not seem that we are harvested during an incarnation, unless there is some intelligent infinity contact.

that is not possible. if so, those entities who would live natural lives throughout the harvest would not be able to get harvested because they were not disincarnate.

I think ya need to go back and read the material some more to understand the concept of 'harvest'. We kinda are living natural lives, sorry to burst your bubble. What with you have been accusing others as doing - denying the possibilty of harvest due to them wanting a convenient life and all... Sort of works both ways, doesn't it unity? What you are amusing yourself with is not actually from the material, as you have been claiming, after all.

[unity100]

But you have been, all along.

attitudes, was the LAST item i listed among 3-4 other items, in all my examples. it is fabulous how you keep missing others, and remaining on the last one.

Uh no unity, the first two cycles didn't involve 4D energies instreaming to the planet's 'energy web', now did they.

oh no zenmaster, were there 4d matter forming, bodies evolving, 3-4d bodies incarnating to produce 4d bodies, and a 4th density plane forming ?

no. these are changes that happen due to moving into 4d vibration spectrum.

That what this entire thread has been about....

"1991 - 2011 day - has indeed been a day, ranging from the internet and all the change it brought to early proliferation of spiritual/paranormal literature and philosophies worldwide. with few exceptions of forced, set up, and fizzling negatively oriented actions on the establishment's part."

All the above.. completely transient, subjective information. Basically wish-fulfillment..

historical examinations and observations have no/little relevance to the kind of attitude changes et al what we are describing for the last month.

however, someone who is actually knowledgeable enough with history, would easily notice the patterns described in the historical examples. that's a different subject.

I think ya need to go back and read the material some more to understand the concept of 'harvest'. We kinda are living natural lives, sorry to burst your bubble. Sort of works both ways, doesn't it unity? What you are amusing yourself with is not actually from the material, as you have been claiming, after all.

speak for yourself. the life i am living, cannot be labeled 'natural' by any means.

and, you are wrong about harvest, as i have directly pointed out. harvest and earth changes, dimensional change, transition etc - whatever you call it, are NOT related. one happens independently of the other being present.

[AnthroHeart]

Man 47, I see this number almost every day. It's so strange.

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Ra giving you a massage. that's a sight to see.

Oh, where can I sign up?

[zenmaster]

speak for yourself. the life i am living, cannot be labeled 'natural' by any means.

And we are fortunate to hear stories from the perspective of your admittedly unnatural life you wanted for yourself. Keep in mind that such a perspective, such grasping, does not necessarily equate to a viable interpretation of the material or even something remotely consequential from the material. And when people disagree it's not because they 'fail to see', 'haven't read it', 'don't trust Ra', etc.

[native]

harvest is an event that seems to happen in the blink of an eye. not so very different than opening the gateway to intelligent infinity while in incarnation. the impact however lasts long.

So what does this mean for you..should we expect people to disappear?

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Let's stir it up.

Things are certainly stirred.

[unity100]

speak for yourself. the life i am living, cannot be labeled 'natural' by any means.

And we are fortunate to hear stories from the perspective of your admittedly unnatural life you wanted for yourself. Keep in mind that such a perspective, such grasping, does not necessarily equate to a viable interpretation of the material or even something remotely consequential from the material. And when people disagree it's not because they 'fail to see', 'haven't read it', 'don't trust Ra', etc.

yes. 'perspective'. actually you havent heard anything about the 'perspective' i am living in. i dont tell personal information. i have explained and conveyed only more than 1 person i know was experiencing up till this date.

the problem here is your fixation to keep paranormal away from your life, due to probably your occupation and the desired career path you have admittedly worked so hard on.

sorry to break your bubble, but the material you are studying is not a philosophy book, and the stuff in it, are real. you wont be able to 'integrate' it to the current subset of the societal mind you are inhabiting, nomatter how hard you try.

harvest is an event that seems to happen in the blink of an eye. not so very different than opening the gateway to intelligent infinity while in incarnation. the impact however lasts long.

So what does this mean for you..should we expect people to disappear?

actually that is not outside the possibilities with someone in contact with intelligent infinity. however, the plausible situation with these entities which should happen if they wished to leave would very probably be death of their physical vehicle, in however way they want it to be.

[zenmaster]

yes. 'perspective'. actually you havent heard anything about the 'perspective' i am living in.

The huge bias kinda shines through, like a ray of sunshine breaking up a dark, cloudy day.

[3DMonkey]

Let's stir it up.

Things are certainly stirred.

"Consider yourself stirred, mister"

[native]

actually that is not outside the possibilities with someone in contact with intelligent infinity. however, the plausible situation with these entities which should happen if they wished to leave would very probably be death of their physical vehicle, in however way they want it to be.

And so, according to you we should definitely know when it happens. Correct? What if these predictions of yours don't come to fruition in 5 years?

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"Consider yourself stirred, mister"

Round and round we go.

[3DMonkey]

*shocked* That's my line *flattered*

[apeiron]

Indeed, great harvest is the reason there are 7 billion now inhabiting this planet and (59.4) "It may be noted that all possible opportunities for incarnation are being taken at this time due to your harvesting process and the opportunities which this offers."

I think that paradoxically, so called earth changes have more possibilities to occur due to the contrast of 3d dragging population as opposed to people and movements of 4d orientation who desire real change. This is not related to harvest, per se but by the earth moving and stabilizing in 4d vibrational space-time which opposes consciousness of the planet with inhabitants above 2d. Makes sense that these so called earth changes happen in mixed end of cycle harvests which coincide with density change in space-time.

It seems contact with intelligent infinity is so powerful that even in harmonious harvests with no "earth changes" entities possibly decide leaving incarnation immediately.

[native]

[apeiron]

Don't you SEE the changes around you??

[3DMonkey]

Don't you SEE the changes around you??

Where am I supposed to be looking?

[Bring4th_Austin]

Don't you SEE the changes around you??

Changes, sure, but harvest, no. Don't see anything that could be considered the harvest described by Ra.

[native]

Yes, and there will be lots more. The harvest is going on now.

[Bring4th_Austin]

The harvest is going on now.

I'm not disagreeing, but how do you know this?

[unity100]

yes. 'perspective'. actually you havent heard anything about the 'perspective' i am living in.

The huge bias kinda shines through, like a ray of sunshine breaking up a dark, cloudy day.

yes. just like how the subconscious and mystic shines through yours.

actually that is not outside the possibilities with someone in contact with intelligent infinity. however, the plausible situation with these entities which should happen if they wished to leave would very probably be death of their physical vehicle, in however way they want it to be.

And so, according to you we should definitely know when it happens. Correct? What if these predictions of yours don't come to fruition in 5

it is interesting how people selectively ignore information if it does not suit their desired bias.

i have told that i know of at least 3 other people personally who have started experiencing phenomenon that pertains to those who coincide with high up the ladder i described. this number does not include the people i know through internet or this forum.

'we should definitely know when it happens' -> yes. those who are actually experiencing these, definitely knowing things that are happening, now. not in future.

The harvest is going on now.

I'm not disagreeing, but how do you know this?

he wants it to be so. so that it will be a 'process' that wont disturb his daily routine and his potential future desires. he basically desires harvest to be something that has been going on since 1981 and will go on until the last person born in *undefined time period before harvest* is dead.

[3DMonkey]

Don't you SEE the changes around you??

Changes, sure, but harvest, no. Don't see anything that could be considered the harvest described by Ra.

I'm gonna stir it up a little more. What I consider to be "harvest", you probably do see. I saw it at my child's birth. You might see it when nurturing baby hatchlings or something. A mother with a child in the hospital. A person whose spouse witnessed the tragic death of a co-worker.

You see, I think harvest is that moment when your entire mind/body/spirit lights up with such compassion that it "emanates" out of your being. At this moment, there is fruit producing in you, something that is separated and carried "up" in your being and forever (relatively) remains a fourth density harvested entity inside you.

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...IMO

[native]

I'm not disagreeing, but how do you know this?

I was speaking in terms of what has been said in the material of course. Personally speaking, I have contacted intelligent infinity several times and no one appeared and offered me a ticket out

The most recent was several weeks ago. Previously, it was experienced as ecstatic bliss. This latest involved feeling the sacredness of all things..it lasted a day. At this point, I feel energies around my head daily (not related to harvest..just sayin).

[apeiron]

No no harvest, just changes in people, news, increase in 3d yellow negative which per Ra is short run and finally settles with "those who remain" are of the green ray. Even with my body is going in waves, with periods of extreme tiredness, then today I felt very energetic and well. I have a small circle, but I have talked to people outside my circle and I get similar patterns.

[native]

'we should definitely know when it happens' -> yes. those who are actually experiencing these, definitely knowing things that are happening, now. not in future.

I am confused. You said that the harvest will most likely include those who disappear or drop dead. If it is happening (is that what you're saying?), why have I not seen any of this?

he wants it to be so. so that it will be a 'process' that wont disturb his daily routine and his potential future desires. he basically desires harvest to be something that has been going on since 1981 and will go on until the last person born in *undefined time period before harvest* is dead.

These statements don't bother me dude. It is amusing how you single me out, yet many people share the same opinion.