Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods

[unity100]

It could be due to so many factors. Calleman could be right on the mark and still since we don't know how these energies are going to manifest, how intensity is going to pan out, and many other things we enter confusion territory.

7th day has been a bit on the 'day' side in regard to cme activity.

I have noted changes in me and situations. I don't know if these energies are going to manifest in increasing intensities in movements such as OWS, weather patterns or just an "in crescendo" energetic build up or all of the above and more. Almost feels subsequent thought forms have less and less to do with 3d thoughts/forms and more and more into mystery and very open and amenable to pliability. Most of the time (not always) of a positive nature.

i really dont think harvest happened at all.

what i hope is, after harvest, energies/vibrations dont drop to earlier levels. it would be irritating to return to that crap.

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http://www2.nict.go.jp/y/y223/simulation/realtime/

and now there is minimum pressure on magnetic field, no major cme coming up, no major sunspot either. one slow moving cme is headed somewhere else than the planet.

[apeiron]

No, harvest has not happened because at the end of the cycle all are harvested regardless of progress. This will make going to previous vibrations impossible.

I am thinking we are in a type of "wave" that goes in crescendo and the mayans refer to the end of the calendar as the beginning of this "wave" and I put quotes because is not even a regular wave since if the sinus downwards motion cannot represent the upwards or beginning. I think this starts the potentiation of yellow density and activation of green ray.

Seemingly gateway could open at the apex. When this is done, theoretically earth should have yellow density totally potentiated.


It appears the sub-logos is not "there" yet.

[Edinburgh]

Plus all that talk about there being several hundred years for the transistion to 4D to happen ... meant for me at least - to focus on personal development, growth, in the NOW, not be caught up on any future point. That way, whatever happened, I had tried my best, with what I had. Does that make sense? I mean, "just do it!" (spiritual growth)!!

then you are already harvested, in that eternal now. there is nothing to discuss here, for you. why are you here ?

I don't know if I am harvested. I thought harvest happened after a person left the physical body? Anyway, my goal is not to reach 'harvest graduation' per se, but rather to work on growth; spiritual, emotional, physical, etc.

Also, I'm here because I enjoy the wonderful company, the warm ambience and the intelligent discussions.

[unity100]

Plus all that talk about there being several hundred years for the transistion to 4D to happen ... meant for me at least - to focus on personal development, growth, in the NOW, not be caught up on any future point. That way, whatever happened, I had tried my best, with what I had. Does that make sense? I mean, "just do it!" (spiritual growth)!!

then you are already harvested, in that eternal now. there is nothing to discuss here, for you. why are you here ?

I don't know if I am harvested. I thought harvest happened after a person left the physical body? Anyway, my goal is not to reach 'harvest graduation' per se, but rather to work on growth; spiritual, emotional, physical, etc.
Also, I'm here because I enjoy the wonderful company, the warm ambience and the intelligent discussions.

in the eternal 'present' you speak of, everything happened/happening/will happen.


there is no point to anything in that eternal present. so, its becomes empty talk.

No, harvest has not happened because at the end of the cycle all are harvested regardless of progress. This will make going to previous vibrations impossible.

I am thinking we are in a type of "wave" that goes in crescendo and the mayans refer to the end of the calendar as the beginning of this "wave" and I put quotes because is not even a regular wave since if the sinus downwards motion cannot represent the upwards or beginning. I think this starts the potentiation of yellow density and activation of green ray.

Seemingly gateway could open at the apex. When this is done, theoretically earth should have yellow density totally potentiated.
It appears the sub-logos is not "there" yet.

i doubt that.

anyone who had experienced a opening to intelligent infinity like in the one described in the book can testify you that even though you reach a climax at that point, afterwards you eventually fall down to lower levels. basically, energy becomes available, you use it, and then when energy falls to lower levels, you have to face the normal vibrations of the society. you can maybe raise it as much as you can.

so, when the climax approaches at the end of the cycle, the vibrations raise, harvesters come, everything goes up. but what happens when harvesters leave ?

will the energy and frequency stay in the levels they jumped to, because this is the end of 3d cycles ? or, were those naturally dependent on how much of that incoming energy the society on the planet was able to use.

[apeiron]

i doubt that.



anyone who had experienced a opening to intelligent infinity like in
the one described in the book can testify you that even though you
reach a climax at that point, afterwards you eventually fall down to
lower levels. basically, energy becomes available, you use it, and then
when energy falls to lower levels, you have to face the normal
vibrations of the society. you can maybe raise it as much as you can.

The vibrations of a mixed harvest and therefore its society, cannot become lower at this end of the last 3d cycle otherwise there is no progress to 4d. Going back to the "normal" vibrations of society would mean that the end of 3d cycle is not here. It can either be absolutely more positive or absolutely more negative. We know from Ra that it will be a positive planet, therefore the society that it can maintain must be absolutely more positive with no room for any mixing since it needs to be 4d.

so, when the climax approaches at the end of the cycle, the vibrations
raise, harvesters come, everything goes up. but what happens when
harvesters leave ?



will the energy and frequency stay in the levels they jumped to,
because this is the end of 3d cycles ? or, were those naturally
dependent on how much of that incoming energy the society on the planet
was able to use.

This is a mechanical quantum jump in the planet occurring from inactivation (potentiation) of 3d to effective 4d activation in space-time. Therefore, it cannot go back to former levels since it will imply a going back to 3d quantum state. This means that only society able to withstand this at this point would be 4d positive when the harvesters are done. The sublogos is taking the planet towards that 4d sector and it cannot go back. This seems was decided sometime ago. If the planet is capable of going back to 3d vibrations then there is no possibility for inhabiting a 4d planet.

Now there is no known "wave". It is logical that end of the last wave signifies the beginning of something absolutely new if we are talking about quantum states and approximating this state. Judging how things are developing in this planet, it seems chaos is playing a big part, but the planet is heading towards positive 4d space time, if we believe this will be a positive 4d planet.

[zenmaster]

If the planet is capable of going back to 3d vibrations then there is no possibility for inhabiting a 4d planet.

The densities may co-exist in a compatible, overlayed manner, so no that is incorrect. "...there will come a time when third-density may again cycle on the yellow-ray sphere." The problem is the 4D entities need to develop an ability to maintain their 4D bodies in their own vibration, when provided with 3D energies, but they need some isolation from 3D influence in order to do that. Who knows how long such learning takes, but being 4D you have more of a connection to 'understanding' in the sense of the noumenal, so learning about the nature of things greatly accelerated in that sense.

[apeiron]

You're contradicting yourself. Earth cannot go back to 3d since 3d will be potentiated at the point of post-harvest time. That is what we are considering.

[3DMonkey]

You're contradicting yourself. Earth cannot go back to 3d since 3d will be potentiated at the point of post-harvest time. That is what we are considering.

Will it be potentiated immediately following the Harvest's completion? Is this a definitive declaration in the LOO?

[zenmaster]

You're contradicting yourself. Earth cannot go back to 3d since 3d will be potentiated at the point of post-harvest time. That is what we are considering.

Potentiated post-harvest time. Yes, immediately after harvest is completed there will be no yellow-ray sphere. But it may come back as this planet can obviously support it. The local 4D inhabitants may be involved in a harvest like that.

[apeiron]

You're contradicting yourself. Earth cannot go back to 3d since 3d will be potentiated at the point of post-harvest time. That is what we are considering.

Will it be potentiated immediately following the Harvest's completion? Is this a definitive declaration in the LOO?

It is very clear. At least, the process is started then. Unknown what it will take and how long. In this planet's history, one of the main reasons would be incompatibility at that point with 4d vibrations. In the planet's future, 3d can be activated again but I bet it would be a much more harmonious 3d experience for the incarnated entities.

[3DMonkey]

In the planet's future, 3d can be activated again but I bet it would be a much more harmonious 3d experience for the incarnated entities.

Now THAT is hard to imagine given our current experiences of what third density is.

[ThatZenGuy]

Exciting times we live in. To be in the middle of all this is a wonderful sight to behold. I look forward to what ever happens from today until Dec 21, 2012. It's going to be a magnificent event! Maybe it's a rare event when a planet evolves from a 3D planet to a 4D planet when it's 3D inhabitants are still living on it and not ready for Harvest. This is the reason for so many Wanderers from different worlds and dimensions coming down to help and witness such a transformation.

[zenmaster]

Exciting times we live in. To be in the middle of all this is a wonderful sight to behold. I look forward to what ever happens from today until Dec 21, 2012. It's going to be a magnificent event! Maybe it's a rare event when a planet evolves from a 3D planet to a 4D planet when it's 3D inhabitants are still living on it and not ready for Harvest. This is the reason for so many Wanderers from different worlds and dimensions coming down to help and witness such a transformation.

The Ra Material does not talk about harvest, or even the end of the cycle as an event.

[apeiron]

Actually, specific events that will take place in approximately 2011 per Ra Material: opening of gateway to intelligent infinity, final harvest in which all are harvested regardless of progress and passage of the planet from 3d to 4d. They seem very specific and definitive events to me.

[zenmaster]

Actually, specific events that will take place in approximately 2011 per Ra Material: opening of gateway to intelligent infinity, final harvest in which all are harvested regardless of progress and passage of the planet from 3d to 4d. They seem very specific and definitive events to me.

Yes, as part of the process of harvest, after an individual's body death, in time/space. Passage of planet from 3D to 4D is what, hundreds of years, that's an event?

[native]

Actually, specific events that will take place in approximately 2011 per Ra Material: opening of gateway to intelligent infinity, final harvest in which all are harvested regardless of progress and passage of the planet from 3d to 4d. They seem very specific and definitive events to me.

This statement is from 1981 http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?ses...=1&ss=1#14

This harvest has been, and continues to be an ongoing process. That's why it's not an event, as in, something that occurs in the future.

[apeiron]

What it is described by by icaro + zenmaster is going from harvest after gateway opening and back to 3d ignoring 3d potentiation. This is the contradiction that it does not fit. If Ra did not mention yellow ray in potentiation, this could be feasible.

So after harvest, there is no yellow sphere that is active.

At any rate, considering the conditions of this planet, a still activated yellow sphere will lead to negative planet if allowed like this for hundreds of years, but since yellow sphere is potentiated this is not possible. This means, the planet would not have inhabitants of 3d nature until a 3d cycle is allowed after 4d is able to hide.

Moreover, harvest is not an ongoing process at the end of the final 3rd cycle. It ends with everybody harvested at the end regardless of progress.

But my spider senses tell me that this has been discussed before.

[zenmaster]

Moreover, harvest is not an ongoing process at the end of the final 3rd cycle. It ends with everybody harvested at the end regardless of progress.

Oh I see, you interpreted the info to state that everyone gets harvested as a single event at a single point in time. And further that such a date is this year. This is where I'd disagree.

Harvest happens after an individual's death, on an individual basis, for all individuals on this planet. When an individual dies before harvest time, there will be the normal death process. After harvest has begun (approx 2011), an individual will be part of the harvest anomaly. So if they happen to die on or after approx 2011, then they are harvested. That's it. And yes, it ends when everyone is harvested, regardless of progress.

[Edinburgh]

in the eternal 'present' you speak of, everything happened/happening/will happen.


there is no point to anything in that eternal present. so, its becomes empty talk.

There is plenty of point to the present moment: that's the only moment you are in, that's the only moment you have direct interaction with. Hence, the idea is to focus on the now, to achieve growth.

However, if you feel that is 'empty talk' and there is no point to the present, then I totally respect that and can only say, 'there are no mistakes'. You do as you feel best.

Harvest happens after an individual's death, on an individual basis, for all individuals on this planet. When an individual dies before harvest time, there will be the normal death process. After harvest has begun (approx 2011), an individual will be part of the harvest anomaly. So if they happen to die on or after approx 2011, then they are harvested. That's it. And yes, it ends when everyone is harvested, regardless of progress.

I like this way of thinking, because it removes the idea of there being some kind of 'event' (or ascension) that happens, and something that we should try to figure out when will happen. October 28? Winter equinox? Dec, 2012? Some commentators are talking about 2020? This kind of thinking could go on for ever. It's always, 'just around the corner' ... remember 1999 going into 2000?

Let's go back to Ra. He did say in 1981 'the harvest is now'. It seems Ra is being very metaphysical, by stating the harvest is now - this is what spiritual teachers have been telling us for many years, especially those of Eastern (Indian, Chinese) backgrounds. Recently Eckhart Tolle talked about this. You are who you are, now. What you were is gone. What you are to be, hasn't happened. Hence, the harvest is now. I think Ra is giving us a huge hint here.

[unity100]

The densities may co-exist in a compatible, overlayed manner, so no that is incorrect. "

that doesnt seem to be correct at all. if you look at what Ra says about venus's progression, the planet has lost its 2nd density at some point. then, its 3rd density. now, even the 4th density is gone.

it seems, density progression on planet follows a certain interval. outside that interval, densities dont coexist.

a planet may be 1-2d, 1-2-3d, 1-2-3-4d but at one point apparently it loses the earlier two and becomes 1-4-5 d, and then it progresses on.

You're contradicting yourself. Earth cannot go back to 3d since 3d will be potentiated at the point of post-harvest time. That is what we are considering.

Will it be potentiated immediately following the Harvest's completion? Is this a definitive declaration in the LOO?

It is very clear. At least, the process is started then. Unknown what it will take and how long. In this planet's history, one of the main reasons would be incompatibility at that point with 4d vibrations. In the planet's future, 3d can be activated again but I bet it would be a much more harmonious 3d experience for the incarnated entities.

indeed. very probably. positively inclined souls will probably come here. otherwise it would contrast with the existing 4d society.

come to think of it, latwii or hatonn, one of them were from venus, right.

Exciting times we live in. To be in the middle of all this is a wonderful sight to behold. I look forward to what ever happens from today until Dec 21, 2012. It's going to be a magnificent event! Maybe it's a rare event when a planet evolves from a 3D planet to a 4D planet when it's 3D inhabitants are still living on it and not ready for Harvest. This is the reason for so many Wanderers from different worlds and dimensions coming down to help and witness such a transformation.

The Ra Material does not talk about harvest, or even the end of the cycle as an event.

ra material talks about harvest as an event, to the extent of analoging it to a cosmic clock, and even giving a date for it.

Actually, specific events that will take place in approximately 2011 per Ra Material: opening of gateway to intelligent infinity, final harvest in which all are harvested regardless of progress and passage of the planet from 3d to 4d. They seem very specific and definitive events to me.

Yes, as part of the process of harvest, after an individual's body death, in time/space. Passage of planet from 3D to 4D is what, hundreds of years, that's an event?

wrong.

date 2011 was given as a likely date for harvest. not even a date interval. moreover, it was said that those who were NOT in incarnation then, would also be included in harvest.

therefore, harvest is not something that lasts for hundreds of years. and, it something that also happens when entities are incarnated, otherwise there would be no need to mention that those who were NOT in incarnation at that time, would be included in harvest.

http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?ses...=1&ss=1#29

17.29 Questioner: Am I to understand that the harvest is to occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread out?

Ra: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest.

[ThatZenGuy]

Exciting times we live in. To be in the middle of all this is a wonderful sight to behold. I look forward to what ever happens from today until Dec 21, 2012. It's going to be a magnificent event! Maybe it's a rare event when a planet evolves from a 3D planet to a 4D planet when it's 3D inhabitants are still living on it and not ready for Harvest. This is the reason for so many Wanderers from different worlds and dimensions coming down to help and witness such a transformation.

The Ra Material does not talk about harvest, or even the end of the cycle as an event.

Why would it not be called an EVENT? Ra says it is like a clock hitting on a certain time, this to me is an exact event not something that will be gradual.

When he does mention that Harvest is NOW, I think he means that the work has started to prepare for the Harvest and it has started in 1936 and will end 2011 when event will come to an end. I know Ra is not good with exact dates, but why give an exact year if the time frame is 100 years or 1000 years? I've been reading the Three Waves of Voluneteers by Dolores Cannon and Journey of the Souls by Michael Newton and there are clues on what has been going on and what is being prepared for Harvest.

The Harvest has happened two times already. This is our third Harvest event. What makes this event special from the other 2 is that Earth herself is changing from 3D to 4D planet and will not be housing 3D beings on it anymore. This was not the case for the first 2 harvest where Earth still supported 3D beings after the Harvest. Ra states that Yellow Ray 3D entities will be inactive on Earth, so she will only support 1D, 2D, and 4D for the time being after the harvest and might in the future support 3D again, but only after the 4D entities have had enough time in their 4D body to hide themselves from 3D entities. This is why this EVENT is such a rare one to behold in the Universe and Multiverses, its a great time to be alive and witness this first hand!

[3DMonkey]

No event is seems to be going to happen. The Ra material isn't doesn't seem to me to be about making that prediction at all. First, they clearly admit they are not good with our numbers/dates and they can't be relied on to correct themselves. Second, they warn specifically against putting attachment into a specific date or outcome.

[zenmaster]

Exciting times we live in. To be in the middle of all this is a wonderful sight to behold. I look forward to what ever happens from today until Dec 21, 2012. It's going to be a magnificent event! Maybe it's a rare event when a planet evolves from a 3D planet to a 4D planet when it's 3D inhabitants are still living on it and not ready for Harvest. This is the reason for so many Wanderers from different worlds and dimensions coming down to help and witness such a transformation.

The Ra Material does not talk about harvest, or even the end of the cycle as an event.

Why would it not be called an EVENT? Ra says it is like a clock hitting on a certain time, this to me is an exact event not something that will be gradual.

When he does mention that Harvest is NOW, I think he means that the work has started to prepare for the Harvest and it has started in 1936 and will end 2011 when event will come to an end. I know Ra is not good with exact dates, but why give an exact year if the time frame is 100 years or 1000 years? I've been reading the Three Waves of Voluneteers by Dolores Cannon and Journey of the Souls by Michael Newton and there are clues on what has been going on and what is being prepared for Harvest.

The Harvest has happened two times already. This is our third Harvest event. What makes this event special from the other 2 is that Earth herself is changing from 3D to 4D planet and will not be housing 3D beings on it anymore. This was not the case for the first 2 harvest where Earth still supported 3D beings after the Harvest. Ra states that Yellow Ray 3D entities will be inactive on Earth, so she will only support 1D, 2D, and 4D for the time being after the harvest and might in the future support 3D again, but only after the 4D entities have had enough time in their 4D body to hide themselves from 3D entities. This is why this EVENT is such a rare one to behold in the Universe and Multiverses, its a great time to be alive and witness this first hand!

You may want to keep in mind the context with which we are discussing the idea of an event.

[apeiron]

"No event seems to be going to happen" (?).

Questioner: Thank you very much. I would like
to say again that we consider it a great honor, privilege, and duty to
be able to do this particular work. I would like to reiterate that some
of my questions may seem irrelevant at times, but I am trying to ask
them in a manner so as to gain a foothold into the application of the
Law of One.

We are now in the fourth density. Will the effects
of the fourth density increase in the next thirty years? {APEX 2011} Will we see
more changes in our environment and our effect upon our environment?
Ra: I am Ra. The fourth density is a vibrational
spectrum. Your time/space continuum has spiraled your planetary sphere
and your, what we would call galaxy, what you call star, into this
vibration. This will cause the planetary sphere itself to
electromagnetically realign its vortices of reception of the
in-streaming of cosmic forces expressing themselves as vibrational webs
so that the Earth thus be fourth-density magnetized, as you may call it. {EVENT 1}

This
is going to occur with some inconvenience, as we have said before, due
to the energies of the thought-forms of your peoples which disturb the
orderly constructs of energy patterns within your Earth spirals of
energy which increases entropy and unusable heat. This will cause your
planetary sphere to have some ruptures in its outer garment while
making itself appropriately magnetized for fourth density. This is the
planetary adjustment. {EVENT 2}

You will find a sharp increase in the number of people, as you call mind/body/spirit complexes, whose vibrational potentials include the potential
for fourth-vibrational distortions. Thus, there will seem to be, shall
we say, a new breed. These are those incarnating for fourth-density
work. {EVENT 3}

There will also be a sharp increase in the short run of
negatively oriented or polarized mind/body/spirit complexes and social
complexes, due to the polarizing conditions of the sharp delineation
between fourth-density characteristics and third-density self-service
orientation. {EVENT 4}

Those who remain in fourth density upon this plane
will be of the so-called positive orientation. {EVENT 5} Many will come from
elsewhere, for it would appear that with all the best efforts of the
Confederation, which includes those from your peoples’ inner planes,
inner civilizations, and those from other dimensions, the harvest { EVENT 6}will
still be much less than this planetary sphere is capable of comfortably
supporting in service.

I can even find more events....and quotes. Like when the above apex occurs, the yellow sphere is getting ready for potentiation. This I think will happen after last 3d harvest. You see, there is no yellow sphere , now that is a great event. As well as "those who remain" is a manifestation of some type of event since they can only be positive entities capable of 4th density work.

The great 3d harvest is not only a space-time event but time-space (including people not incarnated).

First time for earth going to 4d.
A disharmonious mixed harvest that is ended in positive planet which entails 4d activation for the first time in earth's history.

This creates a potentiation of yellow sphere. Therefore, no 3d lifeforms allowed after harvest (and activation of 4d sphere) since supporting sphere is not activated.

[3DMonkey]

Reading this post = an event.

[StormShadow]

I think we all need to keep in mind that an "event" does not have to happen quickly - in human terms. The extinction of the dinosaurs was an event - an event that may have lasted thousands of years or more.

As much as I want there to be a day when I wake up and everything is suddenly "right," I have found nothing in the Ra material that suggests we will have any kind of instantaneous - or even consciously perceptible - shift. The only difference I expect is a slight upturn towards harmony as non-harvestable and negatively harvestable entities die off and are not replaced.

[3DMonkey]

The only difference I expect is a slight upturn towards harmony as non-harvestable and negatively harvestable entities die off and are not replaced.

I agree. I also think this can happen every day in our personal lives as well, metaphorically speaking.

[zenmaster]

The context of event is according to this thread of calleman's solar cycles, culminating a few days ago, as follows:

"harvest, it seems, will happen this year. in addition, it is said that those who are not incarnate at THAT time, will be included in the harvest.

that means, the harvest event will affect ALL entities in this planetary sphere, regardless of being incarnated or not, and the time for this is 2011.

all these, totally ignoring the mayan calendar information, the one which tracks the cycles of the sun, and which ends in oct 2011."

"in the light of this information, we can say that something big is going to happen this year, and that will, at least be the harvest. the major occasion for this space/time point."


Now do you see the event vs an event?

[StormShadow]

Now do you see the event vs an event?

I'm sorry, you're still losing me. Sure, something will most likely happen, but the way I see it, it's already happening: Occupy Wall Street, the Arab Spring, the growth of a mass consciousness of mostly positive entities who wish for positive change (sure, that consciousness only exists through technology at this point, but it does exist, and who's to say that isn't how ALL social memory complexes get started? I've long seen the internet as SMC training wheels).

Why hold your breath waiting for angels singing and light breaking through the clouds when you can look around you and see the shift already? Getting hung up on the semantics of a term that wasn't even used in the material, only inferred from it, is only hindering your ability to see what we already have and are able to enjoy.

PS: Whoa! Hey everybody. Did you know you can type in "SMC" in your post and the forum un-abbreviates it into "Social Memory Complex?" Very cool, whoever implemented this.

PPS: It's still un-abbreviating it inside the quotes. Should read "Did you know you can type in "S-M-C" in your post..." but without the hyphens.

[zenmaster]

Now do you see the event vs an event?

I'm sorry, you're still losing me. Sure, something will most likely happen, but the way I see it, it's already happening: Occupy Wall Street, the Arab Spring, the growth of a mass consciousness of mostly positive entities who wish for positive change (sure, that consciousness only exists through technology at this point, but it does exist, and who's to say that isn't how ALL social memory complexes get started? I've long seen the internet as Social Memory Complex training wheels).

Why hold your breath waiting for angels singing and light breaking through the clouds when you can look around you and see the shift already? Getting hung up on the semantics of a term that wasn't even used in the material, only inferred from it, is only hindering your ability to see what we already have and are able to enjoy.

PS: Whoa! Hey everybody. Did you know you can type in "Social Memory Complex" in your post and the forum un-abbreviates it into "Social Memory Complex?" Very cool, whoever implemented this.

PPS: It's still un-abbreviating it inside the quotes. Should read "Did you know you can type in "S-M-C" in your post..." but without the hyphens.

You've obviously not been reading my posts.