Book IV Study Group

[Monica]

I found Book IV difficult. (Well, you know, more difficult than the others, ha!)

Would anyone be interested in re-reading Book IV together, and discussing it as we go? Like an online study group?

I was thinking we could start at the beginning, and read/discuss maybe one chapter per week...starting in a few weeks once we get more people on board...Anyone interested?

[Bring4th_Steve]

I found Book IV difficult. (Well, you know, more difficult than the others, ha!)

Would anyone be interested in re-reading Book IV together, and discussing it as we go? Like an online study group?

I was thinking we could start at the beginning, and read/discuss maybe one chapter per week...starting in a few weeks once we get more people on board...Anyone interested?

It sounds like a great idea! I wasn't sure if you were aware of this, but I've programmed the chat room to record transcripts, if you'd like. So you can post and reflect on past discussions, if you wish to do it in a "live" fashion. Otherwise, the forums would still make a great way for people to contribute--it would just take longer to get through the material, though.

Let me know if you would like to try the chat method!

Steve

[Monica]

I wasn't sure if you were aware of this, but I've programmed the chat room to record transcripts, if you'd like. So you can post and reflect on past discussions, if you wish to do it in a "live" fashion. Otherwise, the forums would still make a great way for people to contribute--it would just take longer to get through the material, though.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'record transcripts.'

I've never done much live chat. Would all the discussion get saved for anyone to look at? And wouldn't we have to all be there at the same time? (sorry for the dumb questions.)

[Bring4th_Steve]

I wasn't sure if you were aware of this, but I've programmed the chat room to record transcripts, if you'd like. So you can post and reflect on past discussions, if you wish to do it in a "live" fashion. Otherwise, the forums would still make a great way for people to contribute--it would just take longer to get through the material, though.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'record transcripts.'

I've never done much live chat. Would all the discussion get saved for anyone to look at? And wouldn't we have to all be there at the same time? (sorry for the dumb questions.)

Yes, it would be much like a book club where you get together "live" in a chat room and discuss sections of the book that you either agree to read ahead of time in small bits, or you'd read in front of the group.

All of the conversation for that chat session could then be wrapped up into a nice long message that can be read by others (Of course, we'd have to find a place to post the transcript).

The reason why I suggested the live aspect is because you can be more productive, more quickly by having a group of people to help analyze something on the spot. Otherwise, you may end up taking a week to get through a paragraph of text, which may or may not make you feel as though there is a steady continuity in moving through the material.

It's just an option, and completely stylistic of your own ideals!

[Enki]

I think it is a fantastic idea, though if it was done in a "live fashion" then people would have to revolve their schedules around it. I for one am rather busy most of the time, which would make my participation in the chat difficult
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The idea of having the live evening session, followed by a posting of the important facets of the discussion into the forum for those who missed it is a fantastic idea. Possibly a sub category in the main thread list for "live reading" evenings where people could come and view the conversations and add to them if they desired?
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And just a side note, Steve, you did a wonderful job on this site. I am thoroughly impressed with how smoothly it runs and how clean and neat everything feels. I am still coming to terms with all the subtle nuances but it is definitely one of the cleanest and most inviting forums I have visited to date.
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[Bring4th_Steve]

I think it is a fantastic idea, though if it was done in a "live fashion" then people would have to revolve their schedules around it. I for one am rather busy most of the time, which would make my participation in the chat difficult
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The idea of having the live evening session, followed by a posting of the important facets of the discussion into the forum for those who missed it is a fantastic idea. Possibly a sub category in the main thread list for "live reading" evenings where people could come and view the conversations and add to them if they desired?
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And just a side note, Steve, you did a wonderful job on this site. I am thoroughly impressed with how smoothly it runs and how clean and neat everything feels. I am still coming to terms with all the subtle nuances but it is definitely one of the cleanest and most inviting forums I have visited to date.
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Austin, you made my day! I can't thank you enough for the warm feedback. I do understand there are some small nuances and idiosyncrasies, even. But this is totally the result of trying to integrate a bunch of separate applications together in a unified fashion. That was definitely the biggest challenge of this project, by far!

If you do come across something that feels odd, please let me know. I am very eager to correct areas where people may be expecting the site to behave a certain way, or maybe a common feature is missing where you would normally expect to see it. In any case, feedback is always welcome, and you can do this by sending me a private message through your inbox, or by clicking on my forum name, which opens my profile and allows the sending of private messages.

I would also like to thank you for your contributions on the site, as well. All of the programming in the world wouldn't do this place justice unless there are thoughtful engagements from people like yourself. Already, I am feeling like there are so many topics that I want to think more deeply about. I am truly grateful that we can all come here and share.

Take care,
Steve

[Enki]

: ) nuances was used positively there. I have found nothing disagreeable or out of place thus far. The integration of all the applications is actually what I was referencing. Having so many avenues for interaction in a single locale is definitely very very cohesive with the purpose of the site.
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If anything pops up I will let you know though..... in a constructive manner of course
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"hey dood, this is teh suxorzz" <--- joke

[Bring4th_Steve]

: ) nuances was used positively there. I have found nothing disagreeable or out of place thus far. The integration of all the applications is actually what I was referencing. Having so many avenues for interaction in a single locale is definitely very very cohesive with the purpose of the site.
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If anything pops up I will let you know though..... in a constructive manner of course
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"hey dood, this is teh suxorzz" <--- joke

No worries, man! I took your suggestions totally light-heartedly! There actually ARE disagreeable things scattered around, but I've managed to completely hide them so far until I can spend time fixing them! So thanks a ton for any ideas, suggestions, or bugs you find.

Cheers,
Steve

[rva_jeremy]

Count me in for the study group. One thing I will say is that L/L sponsored a gathering focusing on the archetypes, and it wasn't the easiest thing in the world to deal with in a group setting. I think the utility of any group study is GREATLY enhanced by a commitment from all participants to study on their own. It seems to me that the archetypes, working at a level below the conscience, are not going to be best apprehended in a lingual setting. Conversely, you'll get the most out of individual study, and it's probably best to consider group study as a supplement to that, and not vice versa. That said, it's still worthwhile and I'm down.

BTW, I have some notes from that weekend on my blog here and other comments on archetypes here. You may find them useful.

Steve, as a web developer, I know how hard it is not only to write code from scratch but also to integrate code into a cohesive whole. My hat's off to ya, man. Well done! Glad to see some RSS here, too - I know most people don't use it but us geeks appreciate being able to stick this in google reader!

[Bring4th_Steve]

Steve, as a web developer, I know how hard it is not only to write code from scratch but also to integrate code into a cohesive whole. My hat's off to ya, man. Well done! Glad to see some RSS here, too - I know most people don't use it but us geeks appreciate being able to stick this in google reader!

Jeremy, great to see you here! I REALLY appreciate your nice comments. You are completely right, integrating applications together (especially ones that are mature and have their own complicated structures) was easily the hardest thing that had to be done for Bring4th. I had a great time completely overhauling Chipmunk Blogger into what we have today. Just look at Bodhi's blog page for an example of the flexibility you have in designing your own environment.

It truly was a joy, and as I told Carla and Gary, it's one of those things that I felt I had to do. There was no way to do it without motivation and support from Gary and the testing group.

Just a reminder, though... There are still many features and ideas to add, and there will be many (hopefully minor) bugs to fix. So if you spot any idiosyncrasies, unusual usability practices, or something that flat out fails, please let me know as soon as possible so I can jump on it.

Looking forward to some good times on here! Thanks for all of your efforts as well, Jeremy, and bringing your seemingly endless wisdom of the LOO material here.

Take care,
Steve

[Chela]

Count me in for the study group. One thing I will say is that L/L sponsored a gathering focusing on the archetypes, and it wasn't the easiest thing in the world to deal with in a group setting. I think the utility of any group study is GREATLY enhanced by a commitment from all participants to study on their own. It seems to me that the archetypes, working at a level below the conscience, are not going to be best apprehended in a lingual setting. Conversely, you'll get the most out of individual study, and it's probably best to consider group study as a supplement to that, and not vice versa. That said, it's still worthwhile and I'm down.

BTW, I have some notes from that weekend on my blog here and other comments on archetypes here. You may find them useful.

Steve, as a web developer, I know how hard it is not only to write code from scratch but also to integrate code into a cohesive whole. My hat's off to ya, man. Well done! Glad to see some RSS here, too - I know most people don't use it but us geeks appreciate being able to stick this in google reader!

Thank you, Jeremy, for sharing your notes on the archetypes! I have been studying the Tarot for a while, occasionally doing readings for friends and family. I have always wished that Ra's discussion on the Archetypes could have been expanded to include the body & spiritual archetypes...

Since reading the Ra material on archetypes, I have tried to incorporate the teachings in my readings by including the person I am doing the reading for in interpreting the archetypes through their observations of the cards; thereby limiting my infringing on their Free Will to experience and learn through their own process of growth.

[BrotherAsa]

Count me in as part of the study group!

[3D Sunset]

Count me in as well.

3D Sunset

[βαθμιαίος]

Me, too.

[sos]

You can count me in on this. I had started a new thread on this forum on the archetypes, but I will devote my energy to this.
God Bless and Thanks

[βαθμιαίος]

What form is the study group going to take? The reason I ask is that it seems like it might make sense to just go ahead and start discussing Book IV concepts such as in sos's thread. What are we waiting for?

[Monica]

What form is the study group going to take? The reason I ask is that it seems like it might make sense to just go ahead and start discussing Book IV concepts such as in sos's thread. What are we waiting for?

I think we were waiting to decide on the format...as well as give a little time to get more people on board. I'll get with Steve to see if we might be ready to proceed, and then let's get going!

[Richard]

I can't contribute now...but later after I finish all the books. In the middle of # 2 right now. But one of the things that stands out in all of this material...for me anyway...is Don Elkins...my god, what an intellect. I would have liked to meet that gentleman and just... talk to him.

As it is, I have his words.

Richard

[artichoke]

Count me in please. I had a hard time remembering the different symbols, and I even cut them out and made a board for myself. I feel I need help with this.

[ChakRAmon]

Count me in too for a book IV study group here on Bring4th!!!!
(Just think, if Barack were a member of this website he could be "Bring44th", LOL)
I had read books 1,2,3 and 5, and decided to go back to book IV about the Archetypes later after reading Secrets of the UFO and some of Sal Rachele's wonderfully synchronistic (as per Law of One) material from the Founders.

I just began reading book IV last weekend and am taking it slow to soak up what Ra is teaching about the Logo's development of the unconscious mind as per the Archetypes that give us a window into that subconscious One mind we all have access to from this 3rd density conscious-ness as per this particular Logos (our own sun I presume by what is said in the first few sessions in book IV).

On an unrelated (but very much related) note, can anyone tell me if Yahweh (YHVH, Tetragrammaton) and Jehovah are truly the same entity as per Law of One material, and is this entity the Logos of this particular solar system (as in our sun/star), or this galaxy, or this particular universe (if indeed their are many such universes expanding and contracting from a central sun of unimaginable proportion)???

I have heard of this entity spoken of positively and negatively seemingly from the same source..... Many have assumed Yahweh/YHVH - Tetragrammaton/Jehovah to be, basically, the One Infinite Creator, but I doubt that that is true. Can anyone offer some further insight into all of this???

Looking very much forward to digging in to all that book IV has to offer in a study group setting like this....

Love/Light, ChakRAmon
Love = Conscious intent
Light = Material effect
3 Cheers for the Photon and Constant Angular Momentum!!!!

[artichoke]

I think Yahweh and Jehovah are different pronunciations of the same root word which I believe is pronounced more like "Yahweh". I don't remember reading about this in LOO related channellings though.

[Monica]

18.12 Questioner: Can you tell me how Yahweh communicated to Earth’s people?

Ra: I am Ra. This is a somewhat complex question.

The first communication was what you would call genetic. The second communication was the walking among your peoples to produce further genetic changes in consciousness. The third was a series of dialogues with chosen channels.

18.13 Questioner: Can you tell me what these genetic changes were and how they were brought about?

Ra: I am Ra. Some of these genetic changes were in a form similar to what you call the cloning process. Thus, entities incarnated in the image of the Yahweh entities. The second was a contact of the nature you know as sexual, changing the mind/body/spirit complex through the natural means of the patterns of reproduction devised by the intelligent energy of your physical complex.

18.18 Questioner: When did Yahweh act to perform the genetic changes?

Ra: I am Ra. The Yahweh group worked with those of the planet you call Mars 75,000 years ago in what you would call the cloning process. There are differences, but they lie in the future of your time/space continuum and we cannot break the free will Law of Confusion.

The 2,600, approximately, time was the second time—we correct ourselves: 3,600—approximately, the time of attempts by those of the Orion group during this cultural complex; this was a series of encounters in which the ones called Anak were impregnated with the new genetic coding by your physical complex means so that the organisms would be larger and stronger.

18.19 Questioner: Why did they want larger and stronger organisms?

Ra: I am Ra. The ones of Yahweh were attempting to create an understanding of the Law of One by creating mind/body complexes capable of grasping the Law of One. The experiment was a decided failure from the view of the desired distortions due to the fact that rather than assimilating the Law of One, it was a great temptation to consider the so-called social complex or subcomplex elite or different and better than other-selves, this one of the techniques of service to self.

18.20 Questioner: Then the Orion group produced this larger body complex to create an elite so that the Law of One could be applied in what we call the negative sense?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The entities of Yahweh were responsible for this procedure in isolated cases as experiments in combating the Orion group.

However, the Orion group were able to use this distortion of mind/body complex to inculcate the thoughts of the elite rather than concentrations upon the learning/teaching of oneness.

18.21 Questioner: Was Yahweh then of the Confederation?

Ra: I am Ra. Yahweh was of the Confederation but was mistaken in its attempts to aid.

18.22 Questioner: Then Yahweh’s communications did not help or create what Yahweh wished for them to create. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The results of this interaction were quite mixed. Where the entities were of a vibrational sum characteristic which embraced oneness, the manipulations of Yahweh were very useful. Wherein the entities of free will had chosen a less positively oriented configuration of sum total vibratory complex, those of the Orion group were able for the first time to make serious inroads upon the consciousness of the planetary complex.

24.3 Questioner: Thank you. Then I assume that the Confederation stayed away from Earth for a period of time. What condition created the next contact that the Confederation made?

Ra: I am Ra. In approximately 3,600 of your years in the past, as you measure time, there was an influx of those of the Orion group, as you call them. Due to the increasing negative influences upon thinking and acting distortions, they were able to begin working with those whose impression from olden times, as you may say, was that they were special and different.

An entity of the Confederation, many, many thousands of your years in the past, the one you may call “Yahweh,” had, by genetic cloning, set up these particular biases among these peoples who had come gradually to dwell in the vicinity of Egypt, as well as in many, many other places, by dispersion after the down-sinking of the land mass Mu. Here the Orion group found fertile soil in which to plant the seeds of negativity, these seeds, as always, being those of the elite, the different, those who manipulate or enslave others.

The one known as Yahweh felt a great responsibility to these entities. However, the Orion group had been able to impress upon the peoples the name Yahweh as the one responsible for this elitism. Yahweh then was able to take what you would call stock of its vibratory patterns and became, in effect, a more eloquently effective sound vibration complex.

In this complex the old Yahweh, now unnamed, but meaning “He comes,” began to send positively oriented philosophy. This was approximately, in your past, of 3,300 years. Thus, the intense portion of what has become known as Armageddon was joined.

24.5 Questioner: Then Yahweh, in an attempt to correct what I might call a mistake (I know you don’t want to call it that), started 3,300 years ago a positive philosophy. Were the Orion and Yahweh philosophies impressed telepathically, or were there other techniques used?

Ra: I am Ra. There were two other techniques used: one by the entity no longer called Yahweh, who still felt that if it could raise up entities which were superior to the negative forces, that these superior entities could spread the Law of One. Thus this entity, “Yod-Heh-Shin-Vau-Heh,” came among your people in form according to incarnate being and mated in the normal reproductive manner of your physical complexes, thus birthing a generation of much larger beings, these beings called “Anak.”

The other method used to greater effect later in the scenario, as you would call it, was the thought-form such as we often use among your peoples to suggest the mysterious or the sublime. You may be familiar with some of these appearances.

60.8 Questioner: Thank you. I don’t know if this question will result in any useful information, but I feel that I must ask it. What was the ark of the covenant, and what was its use?

Ra: I am Ra. The ark of the covenant was that place wherein those things most holy, according to the understanding of the one called Moishe, were placed. The article placed therein has been called by your peoples two tablets called the Ten Commandments. There were not two tablets. There was one writing in scroll. This was placed along with the most carefully written accounts by various entities of their beliefs concerning the creation by the One Creator.

This ark was designed to constitute the place wherefrom the priests, as you call those distorted towards the desire to serve their brothers, could draw their power and feel the presence of the One Creator. However, it is to be noted that this entire arrangement was designed, not by the one known to the Confederation as Yahweh, but rather was designed by negative entities preferring this method of creating an elite called the Sons of Levi.

74.19 Questioner: How did the users of these sounds, Sanskrit and Hebrew, determine what these sounds were?

Ra: I am Ra. In the case of the Hebrew that entity known as Yahweh aided this knowledge through impression upon the material of genetic coding which became language, as you call it.

In the case of Sanskrit the sound vibrations are pure due to the lack of previous, what you call, alphabet or letter-naming. Thus the sound vibration complexes seemed to fall into place as from the Logos. This was a more, shall we say, natural or unaided situation or process.

We would at this time make note of the incident in the previous working where our contact was incorrectly placed for a short period and was then corrected. In the exercise of the fire you may see the initial spiral clockwise from the green-ray energy center, through the shoulders and head, then through the elbows, then to the left hand. The channel had been corrected before the remainder of this answer was completed.

Is there a brief query at this time?

18.15 Questioner: Can you tell me the difference between the sexual programming prior to Yahweh’s intervention and after intervention?

Ra: I am Ra. This is a question which we can only answer by stating that intervention by genetic means is the same no matter what the source of this change.

18.16 Questioner: Can you tell me Yahweh’s purpose in making the genetic sexual changes?

Ra: I am Ra. The purpose 75,000 years ago, as you measure time, was of one purpose only: that to express in the mind/body complex those characteristics which would lead to further and more speedy development of the spiritual complex.

[paddy]

Possibly a portion of book IV's materials are intended as catalyst for seeking of some sort or another, though that seeking may come before arriving at book IV. The effect of arriving at difficult to understand material, with life experience that may help make sense out of it, can be one of beauty and wonder of small miracles.

In reading some of the Ra excerpt shared in this thread, the first thing that came to mind was a protective mantra "Yod He Shin Vav He", a series of sounds that can offer healing solace to a person during times when energetic in-streamings may seem overwhelming for whatever reason. I think of such mantras as healing modalities, as reasonable supplements to conventional drug therapy.

For example, a person having a panic attack or psychotic episode, who might be treated with anti-depressants or sedatives in some way might additionally be treated with healing mantra techniques, though difficult to say for sure because I'm not a doctor. (Disclaimer - I find healing solace in mantra, during say dark nights of the soul, but mantra approaches may not work the same way for others.)

My mentioning so is not intended as some statement of medical advice. Rather, I point to another connection. That is, the direction that Large Drug companies are going, with quick gene-mapping instruments developed to facilitate custom drug therapies that "communicate well" with a person's gene makeup, this could be an example of history repeating.

Another teach/learning tool that may be helpful to a student of the Book IV Ra passages is a set of cards that seems to assist in explaining some of the unfamiliar Hebrew word sounds with forthright meanings that are easy to digest. This set of cards is called "the Oracle of Kabbalah", and my impression is it was created to help a general audience who are interested in such things.


paddy

[ChakRAmon]

Hi Paddy, such a good point made about "Yod Hey Shin Vav Hey", reminded me instantly of the very soothing sound of Jonathan Goldman's Holy Harmony CD (at healingsounds.com) that uses the "Yod Hey Shin Va-av Hey" chant to some very soothing frequencies/music, and if a group starts singing/chanting along with the music/singing on this amazing CD, you are all but guaranteed to see some of the group start spontaneously weeping with joy (or just sing along alone can produce similar profound results). Anyway, just had to throw that into the mix when I heard you mention, "Yod Hey Shin Va-av Hey". And FYI, the "shin" part is the 'bridge' addition to the YHVH unspeakable name of God, represented by the Christ/Christ Consciousness...
Love/Light, and Peace beyond measure, with no opposite, ChakRAmon

[Brad N]

The study of book IV sounds great and is very high on my list as knowing yourself is the basis for all things, thoughts and bias's. I have been contributing to the dangling threads for this study and I am happy to participate wherever it goes on.
I am quite new here and I do agree Steve's the man!
I have no concious experience in these forums etc and I am very excited to be part of it all.
If we must wander let us do it together!!

[Eddie]

Re: Post # 22: I find it interesting that there was a worldwide outbreak of military conflict and group violence in 1620BC, and that written languages sprung up in various places around the globe in ca. 3113-3114 BC. Got to go to work now, but I'll elaborate on this later today.

[Cyclops]

A Most definite yes to the study group idea from me if it's still being planned. I've been currently exploring the nature of the archetypical mind with the focus onto the blueprint of experience in the octave and the path and identity of the seeker.

[thefool]

great idea...

[glenng]

I will be happy to be a part of this study group.
Book IV is a very difficult book to understand.

[Phoenix]

I like this idea.

However I want to bring up some points:

The Ra contact mentioned that the student needed to learn before they could advise. Now I know that in this society reading a book by another human being about a subject matter is basic common sense. But in this case there are this and that spiritual law, so, I think it would be more acceptable for people who are inclined toward this teaching to study the relevant archetype, and then move on to Ra's teachings after that.

Also, not everyone at the deeper level is actually inclined toward the tarot. There should be some mention of the other two archetypal studies.