Debt forgiveness

[Spiritbrother]

When do you believe everything will occur...debt forgiveness, nesera, all of that......

Love,
Steve

[Bring4th_Austin]

I feel like the financial and economic systems will crumble before anything like that would happen.

[Oceania]

not tomorrow.

[Spiritbrother]

right maybe the old way has to crumble first before we can see a new way....

[3DMonkey]

Crumble is not fun

[Spiritbrother]

what do you believe needs to happen....I see it as when people have more freedom...less stressed our friendly beings can come help us without trying to bring fear....thats why nesera would be important

[Oceania]

i say give everyone sleeping gas and then fix things.

[Richard]

Be a lot less stress if people threw away the credit cards and went back to cash. Got rid of all of them. Took a few years, but never looked back after it was done.

Agree with Monkey though....crumble is bad.

Richard

[Bring4th_Austin]

Be a lot less stress if people threw away the credit cards and went back to cash. Got rid of all of them. Took a few years, but never looked back after it was done.

Agree with Monkey though....crumble is bad.

Richard

Not only would it be less stressful, we'd be taking a lot of our own power back from the financial/banking industries. We've been convinced that to have anything "worth having," we have to put it on credit, including "higher education." Putting ourselves in debt is a quick and easy way to allow someone else to have power over us.

But, I don't think crumbling of the systems in place would be bad. Perhaps if you went into it thinking "this isn't going to be fun," you might have a negative experience. But in that sense, our reality is under our control. You can decide to come out the other side of a system-crumble better than before, and you'll be guided to do just that.

[zenmaster]

what do you believe needs to happen....I see it as when people have more freedom...less stressed our friendly beings can come help us without trying to bring fear....thats why nesera would be important

The 'friendly beings' are already helping us in an extremely effective capacity, in ways that matter the most, through dreams and meditation.

[Spiritbrother]

I mean friendly beings would come to the planet...to show themselves without bringing fear to the masses....

[Bring4th_Steve]

I don't believe there will be any government "debt forgiveness", as that goes against the capitalist way of running the world's economy.

NESARA is designed to open up a vast reserve of funds that are supposedly being held as physical gold in another country. NESARA is supposed to be part of Disclosure, according to some christ-conscious channeled sources like SaLuSa. It is designed to free humanity from the suppression and control that our world government has placed upon us.

When that will happen is unclear. I would not advise running up your credit cards because of it!

Remember that there is a certain amount of karma that our society must experience before we can rebuild. In my opinion, a lot of this karma has to do with the falling of the various world empires, and with it, the economies. Only then would the "emergency measures" rightfully be introduced by a new society. Whether that new society consists of our own lightworker-based government or an off-planet civilization who is here to help, remains anyone's guess.

We create our own futures and outcomes, so however you want to experience the ascension/graduation period, focus on that and it shall be, by divine law.

Steve

[unity100]

Remember that there is a certain amount of karma that our society must experience before we can rebuild. In my opinion, a lot of this karma has to do with the falling of the various world empires, and with it, the economies.

not to mention the karma accrued in times like atlantis, roman empire, and then later, usa.

not to mention the karma/distortion that the groups working with atlantis have caused.

..........

in case none of you noticed, the behavior patterns of the system and society of america, is exactly like roman culture -> republic, and the empire periods, especially.

and in addition, we have the info that atlantis was a 'very conglomerate' culture. which repeats itself in usa.

we also have cayce's various readings on people who have incarnated in those parts (usa etc) in order to alleviate the karma they created during their lives in atlantis. some succeeding, some were failing by then, according to his readings.

this was just one bunch - then there are also those from south american group, and Ra.

[3DMonkey]

"in case none Of you noticed"

LMAO "none".

[zenmaster]

I mean friendly beings would come to the planet...to show themselves without bringing fear to the masses....

for what purpose?

[Oceania]

cuz it's supercool! they'll be famous and popular. and aliens on a foreign planet.

[Spiritbrother]

the purpose would be to further help us....it would be the next point....to give technologies...help with ascension...to show the way...

[3DMonkey]

Supercool is all I ever wanted in my world

[zenmaster]

the purpose would be to further help us....it would be the next point....to give technologies...help with ascension...to show the way...

Why do you think that stepping down to a lower vibration, in order to communicate, would be helpful? What, for example, is missing in the Ra Material, as far as teaching for the purpose of 'ascension'? I really don't see any virtue of them physically showing themselves, compared to the incredible support and help that's already occurring.

Those that would require face-to-face for effective communication are those that are cut off from their higher natures. These beings can't give someone that part of themselves, it must be found through work. After that part is found, 'help' from these beings is available.

If they come here physically, without a consensus, conscious, polarized invite, that means the negative side must be allowed equal access, on that same ontological level, to provide a balanced 'philosophical' teaching. I don't want them here.

[Spiritbrother]

At the point they would come down would be a point where the vibration of the people and earth would be high enough for them to come face to face...thats why they havent come now....once our conciousness is high enough and our vibration high enough I believe they can and would come face to face...thats what we are working on now...brining the love vibration to the people and earth so we can all come face to face....

[zenmaster]

At the point they would come down would be a point where the vibration of the people and earth would be high enough for them to come face to face...thats why they havent come now....once our conciousness is high enough and our vibration high enough I believe they can and would come face to face...thats what we are working on now...brining the love vibration to the people and earth so we can all come face to face....

You can only offer people the opportunity of love. The offering will not change someone's free will to decide to polarize, it just (slightly) increases the amount of choices available to polarize should they being looking to do so. How is this wakeup to occur?

The aliens-as-savior mentality is going way overboard. What's important is that people wake up to who they are. There is no dignity, or service to the creator, in what amounts to handing someone's else's idea of their soul on a plate to them. They have to take the opportunities they have to recognize their own selves.

People move at their own pace and there are a lot of people still learning here. You would seriously take that away from them?

[3DMonkey]

I know you make a strong case for aliens as savior mentality. Do you think that is why they are not going to show?

I know some would find them saviors, but I'm not convinced that would be a bad thing. I also think they would get over it, and that some wouldn't even bother with it. My argument is pointless, of course, because they aren't consulting me anyway.

I do like to think it would be supercool, but I know that isn't a given. If I am pessimistic today, I'm going to be pessimistic after the "honeymoon" period of alien arrival is over.

The more things change, the more they stay the same...

[Bring4th_Austin]

At the point they would come down would be a point where the vibration of the people and earth would be high enough for them to come face to face...thats why they havent come now....once our conciousness is high enough and our vibration high enough I believe they can and would come face to face...thats what we are working on now...brining the love vibration to the people and earth so we can all come face to face....

You can only offer people the opportunity of love. The offering will not change someone's free will to decide to polarize, it just (slightly) increases the amount of choices available to polarize should they being looking to do so. How is this wakeup to occur?

The aliens-as-savior mentality is going way overboard. What's important is that people wake up to who they are. There is no dignity, or service to the creator, in what amounts to handing someone's else's idea of their soul on a plate to them. They have to take the opportunities they have to recognize their own selves.

People move at their own pace and there are a lot of people still learning here. You would seriously take that away from them?

But I want to ride in their spaceships and go FWOOOSH across the galaxy!

[zenmaster]

So what is most important.


Do you actually truly want other beings to intercede in your debt?

[3DMonkey]

Hahaha. Am I being childish?

Intercede in my debt sounds so dreadful. But sure, it's a big logos party in a single thought. Let's experience!

[Bring4th_Austin]

So what is most important.


Do you actually truly want other beings to intercede in your debt?

My debt won't follow me to Hatonn's planet

[Oceania]

can we hop planets?

[Bring4th_Austin]

No clue. I hope so. It's been a lifelong dream of mine to 1) see the Earth from space and 2) visit an ET planet.

I guess if not in this incarnation, maybe another one.

[Oceania]

yeah but like, if i wanted to leave earth the social memory complex could i? and join another social memory complex? or say, if i built a vessel good enough to take me lightyears away could i go on a more positive planet and join their future memory complex?

[Bring4th_Austin]

Not really sure what Ra says about joining other social memory complexes...but you don't have to join Earth's. Ra said that when the time comes, entities can make the choice to either continue learning alone or as part of a social memory complex.

Out of curiosity, why would you want to travel somewhere else to be part of another social memory complex? We're not going to form one until everyone is unified in the vibration of peace and service. Till then we'll be learning the early lessons of 4D as individuals. My guess is we'll be so enamored with the "beauty of love as lived" we won't even think about unifying in service for a while.