2012

[Sean]

Why is everyone saying dec 21 2012 and not oct 22 2011? Terence McKenna's timewave zero and the mayan calendar both arrive properly at that date.

[zenmaster]

Why is everyone saying dec 21 2012 and not oct 22 2011? Terence McKenna's timewave zero and the mayan calendar both arrive properly at that date.

That's an easy one: the vast majority of Mayan scholars, the 'Mayanists', would disagree on what you and they consider 'proper'.

And of course, not only is the date itself in question, but the meaning of the date to the Mayans, and the meaning in light of channeled material.


"We can only ask each group to consider the relative effect of philosophy and your so-called specific information. It is not the specificity of the information which attracts negative influences. It is the importance placed upon it."

[NegaNova]

The date is a toss-up I think. No one can really KNOW the exact time it's going to happen, they can just guess general-time frames where it makes the most sense to them. The only one who really knows is the one controlling the clock.

[Oceania]

i think 20th december 2012 would be more appropriate. or 21st february

[NegaNova]

Any reason why?
There's a Transit of Venus on June 6th, 2012.

[Oceania]

i like symmetry with some things.

[Sean]

Why is everyone saying dec 21 2012 and not oct 22 2011? Terence McKenna's timewave zero and the mayan calendar both arrive properly at that date.

That's an easy one: the vast majority of Mayan scholars, the 'Mayanists', would disagree on what you and they consider 'proper'.

And of course, not only is the date itself in question, but the meaning of the date to the Mayans, and the meaning in light of channeled material.


"We can only ask each group to consider the relative effect of philosophy and your so-called specific information. It is not the specificity of the information which attracts negative influences. It is the importance placed upon it."

I thought it was a common misconception, oh well.

[Gribbons]

I've read that oct. 28, 2011 is really the 12/21/12 date when quantinized, but all we can do is wait it out. i mean, personally, seeing as how hollywood has caught onto the date and, more likely next year, MSM will be all over the day, laughing at conspirators and what not, I can't help but feel it's a fabrication of sorts. The day itself. If it's really a gradual change, then what is one day going to do? Also, you can spell Zion as 2012, per the London Olympics logo.

As much as I believe in the coming changes, we have to assume TPTB already have a plan on capitalizing on the fear that this one day can bring to people who know nothing/little about it, and let's face it, even we will know nothing until it comes. I smell Y2K hysteria times 10. But here I am spreading fear. *shame*

It's the message that's important. The spirit, the love, the understanding, it IS coming, but don't expect the truth from the corporate government or mainstream media (redundancy haha)

[Oceania]

well i felt 10/10/10 and i'm sure we will feel 11/11/11 and 12/12/12 at least. it will be great.

[Crown]

There is no exact date in my opinion. Its happening right now. RIGHT NOW.

[3DMonkey]

Right now

[Eddie]

....all we can do is wait it out..........

That's Third Density in a nutshell....

Well, not exactly. We can work all we can on forgiveness while we're here.:idea:

[zenmaster]

all we can do is wait it out.

Or do something constructive with our lives.

[Oceania]

yeah like have some fun.

[Eddie]

yeah like have some fun.

Once a man has tasted the ecstatic connection to all of Creation that pervades higher vibrational levels, 3rd Density becomes even more laborious; by comparison, life at this level is like swimming upstream against a flow of mud (or even lava). Intellectually, I know that this is where the most progress may be made, but the perceived separation from the Angels is torture. Often I find myself filled with emptiness, grasping for the untenable. Sometimes the knowledge of what lies beyond is all that keeps me going. Most of those activities that once brought me pleasure, are now shadows, diaphanous, misty.

I know that I have come here for a reason, but i feel the need for a long, long vacation back home.

[Oceania]

i think you can find divine beauty here

[Eddie]

i think you can find divine beauty here

Yes, I am surrounded by it; every living thing is divine, the expression of the Creator's art. But at this level we do not automatically perceive the connection to it.

[Oceania]

no, i don't mean everything. you can see a bag in the wind and cry or you can say what a shitty movie that was. my point is it's there if you are able to see it. in things that you are able to see it in. and that's unique to everyone. but there is divine beauty you "automatically" see. at least some can.

[Eddie]

no, i don't mean everything. you can see a bag in the wind and cry or you can say what a shitty movie that was. my point is it's there if you are able to see it. in things that you are able to see it in. and that's unique to everyone. but there is divine beauty you "automatically" see. at least some can.

The intellectual realization of divine beauty is automatic. The emotional connection to it is not.

[Oceania]

yes it is when you look at the right things. my point is there's lots of things in 3D.

[Eddie]

yes it is when you look at the right things.

No, it isn't. If it was, there would be no suffering.

[zenmaster]

I see 'suffering' as an emotional response to not having created a worldview that is congruent with creation.

[Oceania]

that comment makes no sense. you don't even know what i mean.

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that was for Eddie.

[Eddie]

I see 'suffering' as an emotional response to not having created a worldview that is congruent with creation.

Neil Kramer speaks eloquently on this subject here:

Fix Yourself, Fix the World

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that comment makes no sense. you don't even know what i mean.

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that was for Eddie.

How do you know what I know, or do not know?

[Oceania]

well, i know what you don't know cuz you don't know what i know. if you did you would agree with me.

[zenmaster]

I see 'suffering' as an emotional response to not having created a worldview that is congruent with creation.

Neil Kramer speaks eloquently on this subject here:

Fix Yourself, Fix the World

Our current understandings or misunderstandings - that is, how an experience was committed to memory, shape our perceptions and responses at any time. At some level we have a template in the form of our higher self, or what we have actualized from the logos, to provide the contrast between this illusion and certainty or non-duality. This is always available, but in the background, or underlying what is possible. The disparity between our current acceptance and the more balanced one is what creates the "dissonance" or something not being "right".

That discomfort is a type of "catalyst" - that "which initiates the recognition of self, by self". But many are not seeking comfort in this regard, they are seeking a level of discomfort they're willing to tolerate. The tolerance for discomfort must increase with increased distraction away from or a devaluation of that recognition process.

[3DMonkey]

The 3D vehicle procures much of this in its limitations. No?


The veil is a tool, but my lack of 3D memory is superimposed as I don't recall all that I experienced in childhood. I wonder how I could grow if I were to remember all that was there, operating in me, back then.

[zenmaster]

The 3D vehicle procures much of this in its limitations. No?


The veil is a tool, but my lack of 3D memory is superimposed as I don't recall all that I experienced in childhood. I wonder how I could grow if I were to remember all that was there, operating in me, back then.

Regardless of our conscious ability to remember, our memories, not as events, but as mental patterns, have a profound effect on ability to accept and process instreaming energy. The relative balance of the mind is what places limitations on the spirit to be able to actualize in our 'personaility shell'.

[3DMonkey]

Agreed.

(I wish I could access my archives)

[Daydreamin]

well i felt 10/10/10 and i'm sure we will feel 11/11/11 and 12/12/12 at least. it will be great.

What if it's wrong b/c we fail/choose to put the entire year in? Meaning instead of 11/11/11 it ought to be 11/11/2011?

Or instead of 12/12/12 it ought to be 12/12/2012? Would that change anything?