Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods

[3DMonkey]

Sounds about right to me, EE. Although, I'm not up to speed that Ra sylays a pole shift would wipe us out.
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I consider this to be a relevant question for us all.

How will we react to an outcome that is different from the imagined outcome that we may have fully invested into?

I don't think Ra ever wanted us to invest in any outcome regarding harvest. Ra actually suggests we not invest in any outcome, and their only goal was to express unity.
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We may be in jeopardy of "robbing Ra's message of the compassion with which unity is informed by its very nature" by arguing dates and methods. The idea is that intelligent infinity is in the tiniest parts of ourselves, in ourselves.

[Confused]

We may be in jeopardy of "robbing Ra's message of the compassion with which unity is informed by its very nature" by arguing dates and methods.

Absolutely spot on statement. Brilliant message, 3. Ra must be proud of you.

Am grateful to have you as an ally on the spiritual path

[3DMonkey]

The ulitmage message is that unity brings us full circle back to what we see right in front of us, and that what is, is, and that it is the way it is supossed to be, as it is. That's the message. Not to watch the calendar. Not to polarize. To just be as we are and accept it the way it is.

If we form expectations and abandon ultimatums, then we are what we are- abandoners and expectors. Expectations and ultimatums are self inflicted sub-sub-veils. I call them walls.

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We may be in jeopardy of "robbing Ra's message of the compassion with which unity is informed by its very nature" by arguing dates and methods.

Absolutely spot on statement. Brilliant message, 3. Ra must be proud of you.

Am grateful to have you as an ally on the spiritual path

Thanks. Me too.

The quotes came from 1.4 LOO.

[Confused]

Not to polarize.

??? Not to polarize! Is that not our evolutionary step in 3D?

[3DMonkey]

It's the next step. It's not a requirement. Ra came because they were asked and to express unity by their role in unity.

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Ra would be fine with us if you and I decided to stay at 50% and partner up for millions of 3D incarnations. They don't mind that choice.

[Confused]

Ra would be fine with us if you and I decided to stay at 50% and partner up for millions of 3D incarnations.

OK, but you should be the beautiful female each time

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Sorry, I will not derail the thread with humor

[3DMonkey]

Not the only partner dynamic there is

[Confused]

Not the only partner dynamic there is

But that is the most exciting!! Please!!

Just kidding, 3. Sorry. Will not derail further

[Peregrinus]

...100-700 years "post-Harvest"...

This could probably be a "clean-up the mess" period, before the planet is settled in steadiness for "business as usual", with respect to 4th density taking over completely.

May be the Confederation expects the clean-up period to range anywhere between 100-700 years, based on their previous experiences/averages.

This is partially correct, though perhaps I may offer some clarity. The remaining 520 to 540 years will be for those, that have harmed their own planetary sphere in the "past", to be able to do further work in reparation and harmonization towards, and of, Gaia. This "extended time" is the result of the unexpected "last minute" mass deepening of consciousness of humankind, which has resulted in a noticeable increase in the waning 3D light.

in the light of this information, we can say that something big is going to happen this year, and that will, at least be the harvest. the major occasion for this space/time point.

11/11/11 11:11:11AM UT will be THE big date/time of this year, though from the perspective of humanity, much before then is and will be big news.

[3DMonkey]

Doesn't "something big" happen every year? Since, like, forever?

[Peregrinus]

You are indeed correct. Let me be more clear. This date is of the galactic scheduled events which is unaffected by human social complex.

[zenmaster]

How will we react to an outcome that is different from the imagined outcome that we may have fully invested into

Very probably the same way we've been reacting to and investing in our imagined signposts that are supposedly the signposts of harvest or harbingers of 4D How could it be otherwise? It's the same type of consciousness, after all.

[3DMonkey]

You are indeed correct. Let me be more clear. This date is of the galactic scheduled events which is unaffected by human social complex.

How can we tell the difference?

What about 20/11/2011 20:11 UT? Or 11/11/1911 11:11 UT?

I'm not trying to be contrary. What general area are we looking for an event? Geological? Political? Personal? Astronomical?

What hypothetical events would be categorized "harvest" and which hypothetical events would be categorized "common"?

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How will we react to an outcome that is different from the imagined outcome that we may have fully invested into

Very probably the same way we've been reacting to and investing in our imagined signposts that are supposedly the signposts of harvest or harbingers of 4D How could it be otherwise? It's the same type of consciousness, after all.

Which will vary by individual, of course. I hope asking the question of the self would help someone.

[zenmaster]

Which will vary by individual, of course. I hope asking the question of the self would help someone.

I can relate, but often it's like putting a candle against a wall.

[unity100]

Very probably the same way we've been reacting to and investing in our imagined signposts that are supposedly the signposts of harvest or harbingers of 4D How could it be otherwise? It's the same type of consciousness, after all.

i find it very curious that some of you are able to produce arguments like these.

you read this material. you accept it when it says that every 25 000 years, a harvest cycle happens. you accept it when it says that current cycle is the last cycle. you even accept it when it says that these cycles happen in almost every 3d planet in this galaxy, or even a goodly amount of this universe. you accept it when it says the cycle is at its end.

and yet, when Ra gives a date for its approximate time, you do not accept it.

and instead talk about 'imagined signposts'.

this is not a 'signpost' anyone is 'imagining'. it is in the material we trust and rely on for many things.

this is - i believe - the third time you brought an argument like this, and this is the third time i queried it, and yet you have not provided ANY reason for your dismissal of the information given in the material.

you are basically saying, harvest, an event that majority of the Ra material revolves around, is, bogus, none.

what is your reasoning for that ?

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Absolutely spot on statement. Brilliant message, 3. Ra must be proud of you.Blush

Am grateful to have you as an ally on the spiritual path Heart

then you dont need to talk or discuss this matter. this is a matter or learning and observance. if you need to polarize, go polarize. it is illogical to engage in a discussion for an endeavor of learning, then to not discuss because 'you need to polarize'. discussing certain things in an internet forum or not discussing them will not make you polarize either way.

[zenmaster]

Similarly, I find it curious to actually equate an acceptance of the material with the acceptance of imagined evidence of what is believed to be consequential from the material.

[unity100]

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...=1&ss=1#29

17.29 Questioner: Am I to understand that the harvest is to occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread out?

Ra: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest.

the above is not imaginary. it is something told.

i have asked you your reasoning for dismissal of this. you gave no reason.

again, i have not asked whether you were finding anything curious - i have queried your reasoning for dismissal of the information given in the material. your curiosity has no value as a reasoning.

if you are not going to provide any reasoning for this, and instead make non-usable sarcastic retorts, i am going to stop wasting time replying to you.

[zenmaster]

One thing you are most certainly imagining is that I was somehow dismissing that Q/A. Also, another strange idea is your assertion that I am against someone trying to learn. So basically the whole premise is faulty and reasoning is confused. Your tact has been similar to asking someone 'when was the last time they beat their wife'.

Also, for what it's worth, you seem to be rather hypocritical when it comes to handing out sarcasm. I seem to recall you (quite sarcastically) mentioning something about "swamp gas" debunkery when someone was critical of your 'UFO' identifications.

[kia]

Your tact has been similar to asking someone 'when was the last time they beat their wife'.

Ouch!!

[zenmaster]

Your tact has been similar to asking someone 'when was the last time they beat their wife'.

Ouch!!

It's the classic loaded-question logical fallacy. Somewhat classic (I thought).

[Raman]

One thing you are most certainly imagining is that I was somehow dismissing that Q/A.

...But you are. You just dismiss using sarcasms not only this Q/A but I have noticed that you seem to take very seriously the "debunking" of any UFO happenings, anything against the US government official line, with all the outside government research done about different very important issues ...you encourage the status quo...I don't know I "find this curious"...I also find curious all these comment about Dewey Larson and it appears that you support mainstream science...Have you read any of Larson's books? how he provides argument after argument in masterful ways?...I am baffled...

[...]another strange idea is your assertion that I am against someone trying to learn.

basically this is what it is accomplished because of the sarcasm...You know, just a motorcycle ride to Guatemala with US passport does not necessarily makes you gain "wisdom"...Maybe it will inflate your ego but not much more than that.

[zenmaster]

One thing you are most certainly imagining is that I was somehow dismissing that Q/A.

...But you are.

But I'm not. There is a difference between acceptance of correlation of some recent events or someone's mystical interpretation of Mayan calendar with timing given in the material, and acceptance of the material itself. There is a logical fallacy of assuming dismissal of the material itself (any of it) based on disagreement with someone's interpretation or belief in what seems to be of consequence to the material.

You just dismiss using sarcasms not only this Q/A but I have noticed that you seem to take very seriously the "debunking" of any UFO happenings, anything against the US government official line, with all the outside government research done about different very important issues ...you encourage the status quo...I don't know I "find this curious"...

No, I encourage people thinking for themselves above status quo or the collective. I've often found that people will use vocabulary indicative of subscription to another status quo - the millions reading the conspiracy 'party line'. Quite ironic. We 'side' with our prejudices and what we believe to be our own 'self-determined' thought. But most times, we're doing the ideological equivalent to a 'cut and paste'.

I also find curious all these comment about Dewey Larson and it appears that you support mainstream science...Have you read any of Larson's books? how he provides argument after argument in masterful ways?...I am baffled...

read them all.

[...]another strange idea is your assertion that I am against someone trying to learn.

basically this is what it is accomplished because of the sarcasm..

Not really, unless there is over identification with what is under scrutiny. I can understand and relate if there was some diligent research being done and people think they are being honest and promoting what is thought to be 'good'.

.You know, just a motorcycle ride to Guatemala with US passport does not necessarily makes you gain "wisdom"...Maybe it will inflate your ego but not much more than that.

Not sure where the ego inflation idea was coming from. That was merely in response to the claim that I probably didn't know that there was a yellow alert for an active volcano in the area. I said I'm not surprised as I stayed under one and road around another. It's quite a common condition there, you see.

[Raman]

As usual, quite defensive...many pretty empty words...no depth at all. However, I wish you good luck.

[zenmaster]

As usual, quite defensive...many pretty empty words...no depth at all. However, I wish you good luck.

I take it that you don't think your own words are petty and empty? It's a positive thing to respond in a manner to (sometimes futilely) attempt to correct misunderstanding. And that can certainly be interpreted as 'defensive', especially if there is a bias on the other side to be 'offensive'.

[Raman]

I ask your forgiveness if this is stupid.

I thought Harverst would always take place in time/space, or at least in out of body state, and always when the 3D entity has (physically) died. Ra mentioned "instantaneous" harvest because they foresaw a poleshift that wiped out all 2D and 3D life on the planet, so this would mean all entities walking the steps of light at the same time, ie sudden harvest.

But.. things have changed and from Q'uo we hear that the poleshift is no longer happening, so instead of harvest starting in 1987 and ending in 2011-2013 we'll have harvest being from 1987 until the last, purelt 3D entity dies-probably some time before the end of the 21st century. The 100-700 years being time for dual activated entities to do restitution, etc.

Am i correct?

I got the 1987 from Q'uo channelings

This is good discussion Ens Entium. A couple of things made me rethink this: One is the work of Calleman and the other one the fact that Ra indeed specifically states that another contact was made in South America it seems by another 6d complex and it was indeed a contact like Ra in Egypt, that is direct and present. The dates of Calleman's and Ra's are the same 2011. There is congruency, we can do "tabular" work here.

The main point i think is: at some point in that space/time time/space junction that will happen on a certain date, Harvest will occur. I just don't see how it is possible that a planet can be fully activated green and Harvest not to occur. It seems harvest must be before full activation (note the word "full", which implies potentiation of anything other than green in this case).

..even if there is "no big" event....fully activation of green means no compatibilitiy with 3d or neg 4d which is makes me really hopeful.

[3DMonkey]

Ra does not define what Harvest will LOOK like, or any indications made by the other four senses.

Ra does not define Harvest as the same as green ray activation.

Ra desired to send a message of unity via compassion.

The mayans didn't agree on this subject either, and in my opinion, it resulted in physcal attacks.

[Raman]

Ra does not define what Harvest will LOOK like, or any indications made by the other four senses.

He/they does talk much about how harvest is walking the steps of light, helpers, guardians,
in fact he/they say a lot. Including that it happens in time/space after death...

Ra does not define Harvest as the same as green ray activation.

I'm saying same thing, did you read the post? Harvest happens before, it seems but good that you mention it because there two things happening not happening in the first and second cycle: harvest and activation.

Ra desired to send a message of unity via compassion.

I'm glad you found that message. To me is maybe that and much much more...the information revealed is incredibly complex and you cannot only reduce it to that for me, at least.

The mayans didn't agree on this subject either, and in my opinion, it resulted in physcal attacks.

The mayan calendar and the structure that Calleman's work is based on I think (found in Palenque), is a real treasure very congruent with what Ra says about south america.

[3DMonkey]

Ra does not define what Harvest will LOOK like, or any indications made by the other four senses.

In space/time 3D plane Earth.

[Confused]

I think the following exchange could be very useful for this discussion --

62.29 Questioner: Yes.

Ra: You must see the Earth, as you call it, as being seven Earths. There is red, orange, yellow, and there will soon be a completed green color vibratory locus for fourth-density entities which they will call Earth. During the fourth-density experience, due to the lack of development of fourth-density entities, the third-density planetary sphere is not useful for habitation since the early fourth-density entity will not know precisely how to maintain the illusion that fourth-density cannot be seen or determined from any instrumentation available to any third-density.

Thus in fourth-density the red, orange, and green energy nexi of your planet will be activated while the yellow is in potentiation along with the blue and the indigo.

May we ask at this time if there be any brief queries?

[unity100]

One thing you are most certainly imagining is that I was somehow dismissing that Q/A.

So basically the whole premise is faulty and reasoning is confused. Your tact has been similar to asking someone 'when was the last time they beat their wife'.

Also, for what it's worth, you seem to be rather hypocritical when it comes to handing out sarcasm. I seem to recall you (quite sarcastically) mentioning something about "swamp gas" debunkery when someone was critical of your 'UFO' identifications.

yet you STILL havent provided any reasoning for your arguments. now you are saying that you are not dismissing q/a.

then, how it is. you are not dismissing q/a, yet, you are dismissing it, there is no reason for it yet.

even if i approach something sarcastically, i still provide reason. i still havent seen you explain any logic behind the objections or arguments you have made yet.

Also, another strange idea is your assertion that I am against someone trying to learn.

that was not posted in relation to you. thats your misunderstanding.

But I'm not. There is a difference between acceptance of correlation of some recent events or someone's mystical interpretation of Mayan calendar with timing given in the material, and acceptance of the material itself. There is a logical fallacy of assuming dismissal of the material itself (any of it) based on disagreement with someone's interpretation or belief in what seems to be of consequence to the material.

so in short, you are not objecting to what Ra said about harvest happening in 2011, but, the linkage in between that and mayan calendar.

is that it ?

I take it that you don't think your own words are petty and empty? It's a positive thing to respond in a manner to (sometimes futilely) attempt to correct misunderstanding. And that can certainly be interpreted as 'defensive', especially if there is a bias on the other side to be 'offensive'.

excuse me, but you have STILL not provided any REASONING for your objection to either the q/a (which you say you dont dismiss, yet, havent said anything about it) or the linkage in between mayan calendar and the q/a.

no reasoning at all, still, yet you are continually dubbing an approach/relation someone else established with reasoning and references, as 'imaginary'.

where is the reasoning.

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